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Postby Smee » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:20 am

40/40 or 30/30 is fantasticly overused here.

In 2005 there were FIVE players in all of MLB who reached the 20/20 mark, six if you're lenient and count Renaldo Winn who had 19HR 20SB.

It seems to me that every base stealer with a bit of pop is proclaimed to be a "20/20 candidate". This simply is not the case.
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Postby Old_Style » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:14 am

Smee wrote:40/40 or 30/30 is fantasticly overused here.

In 2005 there were FIVE players in all of MLB who reached the 20/20 mark, six if you're lenient and count Renaldo Winn who had 19HR 20SB.

It seems to me that every base stealer with a bit of pop is proclaimed to be a "20/20 candidate". This simply is not the case.


you mean randy winn? :-?

anyways, i'll go with granderson, young, hermida, weeks
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Postby Snakes Gould » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:15 am

Old_Style wrote:
Smee wrote:40/40 or 30/30 is fantasticly overused here.

In 2005 there were FIVE players in all of MLB who reached the 20/20 mark, six if you're lenient and count Renaldo Winn who had 19HR 20SB.

It seems to me that every base stealer with a bit of pop is proclaimed to be a "20/20 candidate". This simply is not the case.


you mean randy winn? :-?



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Postby Smee » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:36 pm

Old_Style wrote:
Smee wrote:40/40 or 30/30 is fantasticly overused here.

In 2005 there were FIVE players in all of MLB who reached the 20/20 mark, six if you're lenient and count Renaldo Winn who had 19HR 20SB.

It seems to me that every base stealer with a bit of pop is proclaimed to be a "20/20 candidate". This simply is not the case.


you mean randy winn? :-?

anyways, i'll go with granderson, young, hermida, weeks


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Indeed, Renaldo Winn is a DE for the Redskins.
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Postby activechamp2006 » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:40 pm

Smee wrote:
Old_Style wrote:
Smee wrote:40/40 or 30/30 is fantasticly overused here.

In 2005 there were FIVE players in all of MLB who reached the 20/20 mark, six if you're lenient and count Renaldo Winn who had 19HR 20SB.

It seems to me that every base stealer with a bit of pop is proclaimed to be a "20/20 candidate". This simply is not the case.


you mean randy winn? :-?

anyways, i'll go with granderson, young, hermida, weeks


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Indeed, Renaldo Winn is a DE for the Redskins.


hmm.. now we know no longer to take advice from this guy ;-)
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Postby NHsportsfan » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:11 pm

houstonoilers wrote:whats the minimum to claim a 5-cat guy

.280avg. 100r 25hr 80rbi 30sb ????


I don't have anything to add to the future players beyond what's already been said, but I thought this was an interesting question.

Here are the minimums I would use to say that a player is clearly helping in all 5 cats.

.285 avg, 90 runs, 25 hr, 85 rbi, 15 sb

To give a little historical context, there are 14 player seasons that have exceeded all those numbers since 2003.

Player Year avg run hr rbi sb
abreu,bobby 2004 0.301 118 30 105 40
bay,jason 2005 0.306 110 32 101 21
beltran,carlos 2003 0.307 102 26 100 41
boone,bret 2003 0.294 111 35 117 16
garciaparra,nomar 2003 0.301 120 28 105 19
lee,carlos 2003 0.291 100 31 113 18
pujols,albert 2005 0.330 129 41 117 16
rodriguez,alex 2003 0.298 124 47 118 17
rodriguez,alex 2004 0.286 112 36 106 28
rodriguez,alex 2005 0.321 124 48 130 21
sheffield,gary 2003 0.330 126 39 132 18
soriano,alfonso 2003 0.290 114 38 91 34
utley,chase 2005 0.291 93 28 105 16
wright,david 2005 0.306 99 27 102 17

Sorry this formats poorly. But these are the guys who are good comparisons when you talk about 5 category players.
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Postby activechamp2006 » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:29 pm

in my opinion i say to be a 5 cat guy a player needs numbers like this.. (but different positions are different qualifications)

20+hr 80+rbi 80+runs 15+sbs 280avg

thats the minimum, but players that put up those kind of numbers are solid to have on a team.. they dont hurt you, just keep you where you need to be. but if its a position like SS then i see homeruns around 10-12 and rbis at around 65 or so. with a 285ba
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Postby activechamp2006 » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:29 pm

in my opinion i say to be a 5 cat guy a player needs numbers like this.. (but different positions are different qualifications)

20+hr 80+rbi 80+runs 15+sbs 280avg

thats the minimum, but players that put up those kind of numbers are solid to have on a team.. they dont hurt you, just keep you where you need to be. but if its a position like SS then i see homeruns around 10-12 and rbis at around 65 or so. with a 285ba
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Postby mikekim2121 » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:31 pm

I think the standard being set on the AVG part is a bit low. To be a 5 category guy you should cleary exceed the average player in each category. Last year, the league wide BA's for the NL and AL were .262 and .268, respectively.

.285 or .290/ 95 runs / 25 homers / 90 rbi / 20 sb
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