astav28 wrote:First of all, before anything, throw the stats out the window. I dont care about these "close and late" arbitrary guidelines some nerd sitting in a Stats Inc. came up with. What people see of you, usually gets a pretty good guideline of how you perform.
I should have just stopped reading after you posted this, because it's obvious where you're going with it. Unfortunately, I kept reading.
And as far as Jeter sticking up for A-Rod. Honestly, I think its insulting. A-Rod is a grown man making 25 million a year, Jeter, his same age peer, sticking up for him in the media makes it look like A-Rod is his kid brother. He's not gonna humiliate a guy like that. Hes being more of a leader by ignoring it.
A leader is supposed to step up and....lead
his team. He's supposed to have his teammates back. He had Giambi's back. He didn't have A-Rod's. It's as simple as that. Now, you can't blame Jeter. But if he's the 'leader' and 'captain' that everyone makes him out to be, he would have had A-Rod's back. The media asks him about A-Rod all the time. He never said anything to support A-Rod. He said 'everyone goes through it, you have to deal with it.'
How does A-Rod look like Jeter's kid brother, and Giambi doesn't? Jeter could have done the same for both. Why does Jeter have to get the fans to 'rally' behind Giambi who was coming back from a 'tough time' (I guess destroying your body by taking steroids is considered a tough time now?). Why couldn't he get the fans to rally behind A-Rod and help him through his rough stretch. We all know he's been struggling this year, and the Yankees need him if they want to go anywhere this year.
The giambi situation isnt analagous at all, thats similar to speaking out saying supporting a guy who is going through a hard time. He didnt ask the fans to stop booing Giambi because he hurts his feelings; he said to rally behind him because he was coming back from a tough time.
Again....tough time? He took frigging steroids. It was his own fault. He used illegal drugs to make him better. How is that a 'tough time'. Putting up MVP numbers and carrying your team to the playoffs, and then getting booed and called a choker the following season is more of a 'tough time' than that. Giambi brought everything on himself, yet Jeter went out of his way to get the fans behind him.
A-rod hasnt experienced any adversity. Also, I dont know if you remember, but before A-Rod came to the yankees he said something along these lines::
Derek Jeter doesnt know what it is like to have to lead a team, to feel pressure. He has bernie williams and tino martinez and paul oneil; hes never been a go to guy. Hes never been the heart of a team. He doesnt know pressure.
Alright? I'm not saying A-Rod is Mr. Nice Guy or is the knife in the drawer. I'm saying that this bashing of him is unwarranted and unfair.
If you were Jeter, deep down you would have to love a guy like that coming into YOUR ELEMENT and absolutely getting eaten alive.
Jeter's personal feelings should have nothing to do with him sticking up for A-Rod. Captains are supposed to put the team ahead of everything. Obviously Jeter doesn't like A-Rod and he won't stick up for him. I don't have a problem with it. But I also don't want to hear people praise him as 'Oh Captain, Our Captain' when he stood aside and let A-Rod get ripped apart.
A-rod didnt know pressure; jeter thrives in it. I am a yankee fan and I DO root for A-rod, but lets be honest, hes getting a little bit of Knoblauch syndryome with his fielding and his hitting, at times, is suspect. He isnt the player he was in texas or seattle; no one can deny that. hes still great but he is an easy guy to dislike. he brings nothing to the table personality wise and he doesnt produce consistently in key situations. thats all there is too it.
Here's where the statistics you admitted to ignoring earlier in this post come into play...
How are you going to tell me that A-Rod is a different player than he was in Texas/Seattle when he put up comparable numbers and won the MVP last year? How are you going to tell me he doesn't produce in key situations when I've rattled off several key hits he's gotten...in numerous threads?
Is he struggling this year? Hell yeah. Nobody is denying that. But instead of the fans recognizing the fact that he's a top 2 player in the game, and he had won an MVP and led them to the postseason a year prior, they boo him unmercifully and call him a choker.
ps: i also like how the bronxbombers guy told us the reason jeter didnt speak up for him. I like the fact that Jeter must have told him his reasoning since he so confidently presented it as fact.
So you believe Jeter isn't sticking up for A-Rod because he wants to 'toughen him up'? You just showed us A-Rod quotes and admitted that Jeter doesn't/shouldn't like him. You admitted that Jeter should love
having "a guy like that" (A-Rod) come into NY and get "eaten alive."
So you say all that, and then you criticize me for saying the same exact thing, in less words?