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Postby NolascoForGod » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:25 pm

Zumaya did as well
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Postby rainman23 » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:20 am

RRGL1 wrote:.......So basically, part C.2. is the tricky part. I think of it this way: if the number of men on base + the number of outs remaining in the 9th is equal to or less than the lead, then a save is earned....


You were making pretty good sense there for a while. But there is absolutely no difference whether a guy has to get one out or two.
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Postby Joe LaCock » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:03 am

It is actually quite simple when you look at the rules.
If he and recorded all 3 outs with a 3-run lead, he would have gotten the save. Since he came in with a 3-run lead, the tying run was never on deck. No save. All that other stuff about adding outs up is nonsense. Read the rule. Joe
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Postby sj2k » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:20 am

If you pitch the last 3 innings with a lead, and don't blow it, you get the save. Also, if the tying/winning run is at bat or on base then it doesn't matter how many outs, but you need 3 run lead or less, and otherwise you need the traditional 3 outs in the ninth with the 3 runs or less
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Postby uclanima » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:20 pm

RRGL1 wrote:To earn a save the pitcher must
A. Pitch last for his team in a game his team wins AND
B. Not be the winning pitcher AND
C.
1. Pitch at least 1 inning (3 outs) with no more than a 3 run lead OR
2. Pitch with the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.

So basically, part C.2. is the tricky part. I think of it this way: if the number of men on base + the number of outs remaining in the 9th is equal to or less than the lead, then a save is earned.

Example: 2 on, 1 out, 4 run lead. Closer enters the 9th and gets the final 2 outs and he gets a save. 2 on + 2 outs remaining equals the lead of 4. 1 on, 1 out, 4 run lead. Closer enters the 9th and gets the final 2 outs and does not get a save. 1 on + 2 outs remaining is less than the lead of 4.

Hope that helps.

Also see http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/offic ... ations.jsp



I think your interpretation of the rule is flawed. The number of outs is irrelevant.

Basically, if he comes in, if the man on deck would tie the game (or take the lead) then he earns a save.

So it's not runners on base + outs, if it's whether the # of runners on base + 2 (batter and man on deck) equals the lead.
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