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why did todd jones not get a save tonight please tell me

Postby tribeman09 » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:14 pm

he came in with a three run lead
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Postby TonyCee » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:25 pm

If he played the full inning than he got the Save pimp.
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he threw 2/3 of the inning that should not matter though

Postby tribeman09 » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:27 pm

i have seen guys get a save for 1/3 of a inning
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Postby RRGL1 » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:28 pm

He only recorded the last two outs in the 9th. With a three run lead and no inherited runners, that does not qualify as a save.
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that makes no since

Postby tribeman09 » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:35 pm

because if you come in with a three run lead then you get the save please explain this for me.
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Postby RRGL1 » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:55 pm

To earn a save the pitcher must
A. Pitch last for his team in a game his team wins AND
B. Not be the winning pitcher AND
C.
1. Pitch at least 1 inning (3 outs) with no more than a 3 run lead OR
2. Pitch with the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.

So basically, part C.2. is the tricky part.
Hope that helps.

Also see http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/offic ... ations.jsp
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Postby Chuckles » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:12 am

That sucks! I think they should stricken that rule from the books!!! ;-D
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Postby CeeLoGreen » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:14 am

Thome was the first to bat in the ninth and he has rocked Jones in the past. They went with a left specialist to get him out and then brought in Jones to finish.

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Postby Chip1010 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:12 am

RRGL1 wrote:To earn a save the pitcher must
A. Pitch last for his team in a game his team wins AND
B. Not be the winning pitcher AND
C.
1. Pitch at least 1 inning (3 outs) with no more than a 3 run lead OR
2. Pitch with the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.

So basically, part C.2. is the tricky part. I think of it this way: if the number of men on base + the number of outs remaining in the 9th is equal to or less than the lead, then a save is earned.

Example: 2 on, 1 out, 4 run lead. Closer enters the 9th and gets the final 2 outs and he gets a save. 2 on + 2 outs remaining equals the lead of 4. 1 on, 1 out, 4 run lead. Closer enters the 9th and gets the final 2 outs and does not get a save. 1 on + 2 outs remaining is less than the lead of 4.

Hope that helps.

Also see http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/offic ... ations.jsp


Not that it's relevant to why Jones didn't get a save, but there's one more caveat to the rule I'll throw in: If a pitcher "pitches effectively for at least three innings," he can earn a save. It's subjective and decided by the official scorer, from what I understand.

So, basically, even if your team is up by 14, you can get a save if you pitch the seventh, eighth and ninth. I'm pretty sure that only happens in video games, though.
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Postby Ursa » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:41 am

Chip1010 wrote:
RRGL1 wrote:To earn a save the pitcher must
A. Pitch last for his team in a game his team wins AND
B. Not be the winning pitcher AND
C.
1. Pitch at least 1 inning (3 outs) with no more than a 3 run lead OR
2. Pitch with the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.

So basically, part C.2. is the tricky part. I think of it this way: if the number of men on base + the number of outs remaining in the 9th is equal to or less than the lead, then a save is earned.

Example: 2 on, 1 out, 4 run lead. Closer enters the 9th and gets the final 2 outs and he gets a save. 2 on + 2 outs remaining equals the lead of 4. 1 on, 1 out, 4 run lead. Closer enters the 9th and gets the final 2 outs and does not get a save. 1 on + 2 outs remaining is less than the lead of 4.

Hope that helps.

Also see http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/offic ... ations.jsp


Not that it's relevant to why Jones didn't get a save, but there's one more caveat to the rule I'll throw in: If a pitcher "pitches effectively for at least three innings," he can earn a save. It's subjective and decided by the official scorer, from what I understand.

So, basically, even if your team is up by 14, you can get a save if you pitch the seventh, eighth and ninth. I'm pretty sure that only happens in video games, though.

Liriano got one like that earlier this year.
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