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Postby demoflauchy » Mon Aug 25, 2003 3:51 pm

West Coast Fan wrote:WOW What a string. I think the topic got lost here somewhere.


I saw this post when it first went up a few days ago...I thought to myself "don't get involved"...Quite a few opinions :)
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Postby blankman » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:05 pm

demoflauchy wrote:I saw this post when it first went up a few days ago...I thought to myself "don't get involved"...Quite a few opinions :)


I've been doing the same thing. ;-D My opinion though, is that Ruth was and always will be better than Barry Bonds, but I don't think that was the original question. What was it? :-? :-D
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Postby demoflauchy » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:10 pm

blankman wrote:
demoflauchy wrote:I saw this post when it first went up a few days ago...I thought to myself "don't get involved"...Quite a few opinions :)


but I don't think that was the original question. What was it? :-? :-D


Wasn't this the question:

Will Bonds get into the Hall of Fame...... :-D
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Re: Bonds Vs. Ruth No Comparision

Postby LCBOY » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:40 pm

jayman wrote:Only Bonds and Bond Fanatics compare him to Ruth.

Bonds has less home runs with more at-bats.
Bonds has less RBI's with more at-bats.
Bonds has less runs with more at-bats.
Bonds has less hits with more at-bats.
Bonds has a BA 40 points lower than Ruth's.
Bonds has more K's in fewer at-bats.
Bonds slugging percentage is 90 points lower.
Bonds has less Triples than Ruth.

Bonds has more walks and more doubles. Whoopie.

All that and BONDS HAS ZERO 20 WIN SEASONS.

There is no comparision.


Why do people keep trying to compare stats from different eras? This doesn't make any sense. Standards of excellence differ in different eras. Throughout baseball history pitching and hitting have had their ups and downs. A player in 1968 who hits .295 avg with 95 RBI is far superior to a player in 1930 that hits .330 avg with 125 RBIs. The former is probably an All-Star while the latter probably is just a run of the mill outfielder. With all this talk about who is the greatest people forget to mention Honus Wagner. Why is that?
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Postby Madison » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:00 pm

West Coast Fan wrote:Bonds can stand anywhere he pleases, as long as he's in the box.
Players can stand anywhere they want inside the Batters Box.


I agree that he can stand anywhere he wants as long as he's IN the box. Unfortunately there is a line of the box between him and the plate that he clearly stands past. Not the back of the box, between where his toes should be and the plate. That's all that some people have been trying to point out. ;-)
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Re: Bonds Vs. Ruth No Comparision

Postby pkarr5000 » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:07 pm

LCBOY wrote:
jayman wrote:Only Bonds and Bond Fanatics compare him to Ruth.

Bonds has less home runs with more at-bats.
Bonds has less RBI's with more at-bats.
Bonds has less runs with more at-bats.
Bonds has less hits with more at-bats.
Bonds has a BA 40 points lower than Ruth's.
Bonds has more K's in fewer at-bats.
Bonds slugging percentage is 90 points lower.
Bonds has less Triples than Ruth.

Bonds has more walks and more doubles. Whoopie.

All that and BONDS HAS ZERO 20 WIN SEASONS.

There is no comparision.


Why do people keep trying to compare stats from different eras? This doesn't make any sense. Standards of excellence differ in different eras. Throughout baseball history pitching and hitting have had their ups and downs. A player in 1968 who hits .295 avg with 95 RBI is far superior to a player in 1930 that hits .330 avg with 125 RBIs. The former is probably an All-Star while the latter probably is just a run of the mill outfielder. With all this talk about who is the greatest people forget to mention Honus Wagner. Why is that?



no respect fo m' man honus :-D
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Re: Bonds Vs. Ruth No Comparision

Postby Lofunzo » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:08 pm

jayman wrote:Bonds has more walks and more doubles. Whoopie.


Actually, Bonds is 15 walks short at the moment. :-D

I know that some of my thoughts have wandered a bit on this thread but, IMHO, the Babe is the standard by which all hitters are judged.
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Re: Bonds Vs. Ruth No Comparision

Postby Lofunzo » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:13 pm

LCBOY wrote:With all this talk about who is the greatest people forget to mention Honus Wagner. Why is that?


He gots much love in any discussions that I have but I would assume why he doesn't come up much in discussions of THE BEST ever is his lack of HR's. Other than that, he was a great player. ;-D

West Coast Fan wrote:Oh, and to Ruth's 100 career wins as pitcher, I put forth 500 stolen bases. Ruth didn't do that


I have agreed 100% all along. Ruth doesn't have the 500 SB's and Bonds doesn't have the 100 wins.
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Postby JRRNeiklot » Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:12 pm

LCBOY wrote:
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DK wrote:fifth of all, ruth hit a ball an estimated 625 feet. id like to see bonds do that.


Another urban legend. There is no evidence that Ruth did this other than stories.



Hmmm. Bonds hit 73 in one season. How do I know this? I read it in a ....story.


No. There is video of Bonds hitting #73. Tens of thousands of people saw it happen in PERSON. Many many reporters reported it in newspapers, ESPN, etc. When Ruth supposedly hit 625 ft what day was it? Who measured the distance? Where was it reported? Was it reported by someone who was there? Or did they just hear it from someone else? If you are going to claim Ruth hit a 625 ft HR you need to site a source or show some evidence it actually happened. We can't accept that it happened because you say it happened.



I never claimed he did. And the film is just s story in another medium.

My point was that that's all the evidence we have of anything happenning. A story.
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Postby West Coast Fan » Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:41 pm

Madison Wrote:
agree that he can stand anywhere he wants as long as he's IN the box. Unfortunately there is a line of the box between him and the plate that he clearly stands past. Not the back of the box, between where his toes should be and the plate.


Sorry, I can't believe that Bonds is standing outside the box. That would be too obvious and catchers, umpirers and managers could protest. Beat writers would be all over this fact. I've never heard anything that he's outside the box. Close to the plate yes, but not outside the box. :-t
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