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Postby Strasil42 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:46 pm

blankman wrote:
blankman wrote:Now that you're here,

Matthias wrote:Jeter is probably the 5th-10th best shortstop of HIS time and MAYBE the 50th-100th best shortstop of ALL time.


Just who are those 50+ shortstops that would rank ahead of Jeter?


Still waiting...


And waiting....
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Postby giants! » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:02 pm

Strasil42 wrote:
blankman wrote:
blankman wrote:Now that you're here,

Matthias wrote:Jeter is probably the 5th-10th best shortstop of HIS time and MAYBE the 50th-100th best shortstop of ALL time.


Just who are those 50+ shortstops that would rank ahead of Jeter?


Still waiting...


And waiting....


Jeter is at worst a top 10-15 shortstop when you take into account his rings.
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Postby Skippyoz » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:38 pm

To clear confusion before I go on this is as if all baseball play stopped right now. I also included some names that others did in these posts, but I don't think they're active (i.e. Sosa?) but I didn't want to leave them off the list and have someone accuse me of not thinking of them.

Ready to Join the Immortals:
Mike Piazza
Ivan Rodriguez
Jeff Bagwell
Frank Thomas
Derek Jeter
Alex Rodriguez
Ken Griffey Jr.
Manny Ramirez
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Mariano Rivera

They would be definites if not for STEROIDS:
Barry Bonds
Sammy Sosa

On The Bubble:
John Smoltz
Tom Glavine
Trevor Hoffman
Craig Biggio
Barry Larkin

Nope:
Jeff Kent
Rafael Palmeiro
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Chipper Jones
Andruw Jones
Ichiro
Jim Thome
Larry Walker
Carlos Delgado
Todd Helton
Jim Edmonds

Too Young, but they seem like they could be HOFers, right?
Vladimir Guerrero
Miguel Tejada
Albert Pujols
David Ortiz
Miguel Cabrera
Johan Santana
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Postby FalcoAtL » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:18 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:This isn't who I think should be locks but who I think are locks for the writers vote.

Hitters: Bonds, Sosa, Piazza, Manny, A-Rod, Griffey, Bagwell, Biggio, I-Rod, Jeter, Alomar, and Larkin

Pitchers: Maddux, Clemens, Pedro, RJ, Glavine, Schilling, Smoltz, Hoffman and Rivera


Larkin and Alomar are active???
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:44 pm

Skippyoz wrote:Too Young, but they seem like they could be HOFers, right?
Vladimir Guerrero
Miguel Tejada
Albert Pujols
David Ortiz
Miguel Cabrera
Johan Santana


Vlad has an outside shot, but he's not really "young". He's 30 years old. Ortiz is no HOFer. He's 31 years old and is nowhere near a HOF career.

Pujols is the only other that I'd say will almost certainly end up in the HOF. Santana and M-Cab are promising but have way too far to go to be mentioned right now.
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Postby mikekim2121 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:51 pm

I think David Ortiz is going to have a very difficult, if not impossible, run at the HOF. His first big season was at the age of 28 and being such a big guy doesnt bode well for the possiblity of a long career.

While he has been a dominant hitter for the past few years, 6 or 7 big years (4 so far) from such a power position like DH or 1b is not that impressive.

I think there is NO way that ortiz gets in unless he's hitting like he is now until 2012 and beyond.
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Postby mikekim2121 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:54 pm

If you don't think Jeter is going to get in you are crazy.

I know if most of us had a vote we would not vote him in (myself included).

Winning all those championships at a big time position while also being one of the key players on those teams really helps his cause. But what I believe will ultimately get him in is the 3000 hits he will have very shortly.

If he hits 3000, he's as close to a lock as you are going to get. If you want proof, check out this list and see how many people with 3000 hits ARENT HOF'ers.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leade ... reer.shtml

Although if you are talking about RIGHT NOW, there is still a good chance he wouldnt get in. In 4 years, I find it highly unlikely that will be the case then.
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Postby noseeum » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:55 pm

Yeah, definitely not yet for Ortiz. He's got a ways to go.
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Postby mikekim2121 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:00 pm

noseeum wrote:Yeah, definitely not yet for Ortiz. He's got a ways to go.


I don't believe its a matter of yet or if. In this day in age, you need some very serious #'s to get in the HOF at the 1b or dh position. For him to amass 500 homers, he'll have to hit 40 homers for 7 more years.

He is 30 so he's not young by any means.

If David Ortiz gets into the HOF, I will buy everyone on this forum a Snickers bar.
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Postby noseeum » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:06 pm

mikekim2121 wrote:
noseeum wrote:Yeah, definitely not yet for Ortiz. He's got a ways to go.


I don't believe its a matter of yet or if. In this day in age, you need some very serious #'s to get in the HOF at the 1b or dh position. For him to amass 500 homers, he'll have to hit 40 homers for 7 more years.

He is 30 so he's not young by any means.

If David Ortiz gets into the HOF, I will buy everyone on this forum a Snickers bar.


Well, if the Sox rolled out three consecutive WS championships or something like that, I could see him getting in that way. I sure hope THAT doesn't happen though!
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