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Postby bigh0rt » Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:03 pm

Sunspot wrote:To those guys that keep writing that there should be a rule against whining about the All-Star rosters: Eat Me

Isn't the whole point of the cafe to Discuss, Debate, Vent, Whine, Cheer, etc. ?


It would be nice to keep venting in the venting forum, and try and keep the All-Star whining threads under a baker's dozen, though...
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Postby EugeneStyles » Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:51 pm

bleach168 wrote:
davidmarver wrote:
EugeneStyles wrote:
davidmarver wrote:<pre> W L K ERA WHIP BAA OPS
Chris Young 8 4 104 3.12 1.09 .205 .646
Roy Oswalt 6 6 81 3.15 1.24 .278 .736
Chris Capuano 10 4 112 3.21 1.18 .256 .679</pre>
And you guys are complaining about Chris Capuano not making it?


dude, all three guys have almost the exact same ERA. How can you whine about any of the 3? Don't even talk to me about W-L. Less-informed fans look at that, but it means nothing as to how good a pitcher is. With all three having similar stats (the ones that count), Oswalt has a better track record. He's a perfectly reasonable pick, and not just because his manager is in charge of the team.

Did you even look at those statistics?
Batters are hitting .205 against Chris Young, while they're batting .278 against Roy Oswalt. Their OPS against Young is .646 while it's .736 against Oswalt. Young has struck out 23 more batters in less innings. Young's WHIP is .15 lower than Oswalt's. The only thing the two are remotely similar in is ERA, where Young still wins.


And Oswalt has give up less BB, less HR, and has pitched more IP including 2 CG's.

edit: Forgot to add that Young pitches in a extreme pitchers park.


Not to mention that a high BAA with a low ERA means that a pitcher is better at getting out of jams. But the main thing is, the most iimportant thing a pitcher can do is not give up runs. The ERA is by far the biggest thing a pitcher can bring to your team. With Oswalt pitching in Houston, and Young in Petco, and Capuano in the more-neutral Miller, their stats are really a wash. It's like complaining that a rookie OF has a .002 higher batting average than the veteran who made the team. It's ridiculous.
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Postby WhiteHot » Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:18 pm

J.C.Fighter wrote:This is a crime

Crawford should be on this gotdamn All-star team

they guy has hit 10+ hr's w/ 30 + stolen bases

and a .320 avg on the side


unbelievable


10+ homers???!? What a masher!
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Postby DevilDriver » Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:20 pm

WhiteHot wrote:
J.C.Fighter wrote:This is a crime

Crawford should be on this gotdamn All-star team

they guy has hit 10+ hr's w/ 30 + stolen bases

and a .320 avg on the side


unbelievable


10+ homers???!? What a masher!

Yeah he's on pace for 25/60/.320

he's a masher ;-D
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Postby davidmarver » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:21 pm

With Oswalt pitching in Houston, and Young in Petco, and Capuano in the more-neutral Miller, their stats are really a wash. It's like complaining that a rookie OF has a .002 higher batting average than the veteran who made the team. It's ridiculous.

No, it's like arguing that a .373 hitter with a .990 OPS should start the all-star game over the .300 hitter with a .900 OPS. It's the same difference in metrics.

Not to mention that a high BAA with a low ERA means that a pitcher is better at getting out of jams.

Chris Young's LOB% is 82.8% (the highest in the National League) while Oswalt's is 77.5%. Looks like Young is better than Oswalt in jams. Nice theory ;-7 .
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Postby bleach168 » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:18 am

No, it's like arguing that a .373 hitter with a .990 OPS should start the all-star game over the .300 hitter with a .900 OPS. It's the same difference in metrics.


All Young has is a low BABIP of .243. Oswalt is at .309.

Low BABIP leads to low BAA which leads to low WHIP and low OPS. It's almost the same stat just presented 4 different ways.

BABIP isn't even controlled by pitchers.
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Postby Sunspot » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:47 am

Cappy's In, I'm happy!

Who is taking Reyes spot? Bill Hall?
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