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Postby DK » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:44 pm

What, no clutch love for Cristian Guzman? ;-7
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Postby davidmarver » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:12 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:Clutch hitters don't exist.

Be careful. The reason the word 'clutch' cannot be attributed to individual players is because of the lack of a large enough sample size. This doesn't mean clutch players don't exist, there's just not enough time in players' careers to statistically prove it.

Uggla is the NL ROY thus far, but Zimmerman is very, very close to him, while playing in a slightly worse hitters park; don't count Zim out yet.
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Postby acsguitar » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:16 pm

Since everyone distorted the thread into a Pujols is my god thread. I'll say Ortiz
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Postby nsulham » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:27 pm

Maybe there's no stats to back it up or whatever but you're crazy if Ortiz isn't near the top of the list. How many times does he have to do it?

Stats are nice but trust your eyes sometimes :-°
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:27 pm

davidmarver wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Clutch hitters don't exist.

Be careful. The reason the word 'clutch' cannot be attributed to individual players is because of the lack of a large enough sample size. This doesn't mean clutch players don't exist, there's just not enough time in players' careers to statistically prove it.


Explain something to me.

How much of a sample size would you need in order to deem a player clutch? I mean, think of the sample size it would take in order to call a player a 'great hitter.' A few years worth of great hitting?

Now obviously you'd have a substantially less sample size of clutch situations, since there are so many fewer of these situations. But wouldn't a player that does well during that sample size (no matter how much smaller it may be), be considered clutch?

I mean, let's say the most 'clutch situations' in any player's career is 200 ABs. Now, that is a small sample size. However, if that is the maximum amount of situations ANYONE gets, doesn't that make it the standard...and thus anyone who performs well in those 200 ABs is a clutch player?

I doubt any of that made any sense. I'm pretty tired. !+) If you can't understand it, then just forget it. :-b
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:28 pm

nsulham wrote:Maybe there's no stats to back it up or whatever but you're crazy if Ortiz isn't near the top of the list. How many times does he have to do it?

Stats are nice but trust your eyes sometimes :-°


Sure he'd be near the top of the list. He's a great hitter.
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Postby chadlincoln » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:33 pm

Pujols definately after what he did to Lidge...
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Postby MMoNeY24 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:44 pm

chadlincoln wrote:Pujols definately after what he did to Lidge...


Has that ball even landed yet?
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Postby fitz0527 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:00 pm

Ortiz no question. Nobody is better in the clutch than him. It seems every time he's up with the opportunity to win a ball game he delivers.
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Postby davidmarver » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:05 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
davidmarver wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Clutch hitters don't exist.

Be careful. The reason the word 'clutch' cannot be attributed to individual players is because of the lack of a large enough sample size. This doesn't mean clutch players don't exist, there's just not enough time in players' careers to statistically prove it.


Explain something to me.

How much of a sample size would you need in order to deem a player clutch? I mean, think of the sample size it would take in order to call a player a 'great hitter.' A few years worth of great hitting?

Now obviously you'd have a substantially less sample size of clutch situations, since there are so many fewer of these situations. But wouldn't a player that does well during that sample size (no matter how much smaller it may be), be considered clutch?

I mean, let's say the most 'clutch situations' in any player's career is 200 ABs. Now, that is a small sample size. However, if that is the maximum amount of situations ANYONE gets, doesn't that make it the standard...and thus anyone who performs well in those 200 ABs is a clutch player?

It depends on the population mean (his career average) and sample size (career at bats) and the sample mean (his clutch average) and that sample size (clutch at bats). It's going to be a lot of at bats either way at an average much higher than normal.

I doubt any of that made any sense. I'm pretty tired. !+) If you can't understand it, then just forget it. :-b

It's cool. Hey...I have a trade inquiry in Hot Stove league. What do you think of a Jeff Kent/Edwin Encarnacion swap?
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