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Postby dis2233 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:22 pm

Hello- Please help me in ranking these SP's. This is how I see them. Thanks in advance.

Pelfrey
Hughes
Garza
Bailey
Adam Miller
Gio Gonzalez
Adenhart
Adam Miller
Wade Davis
Andrew Miller
Elbert
Gorzelanny
Hum. Sanchez
Hocheivar
Lincecum
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Postby Members Only Jackets » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:43 pm

There's a clear cut 1-3 in a lot of people's opinions

In any order

-Hughes
-Bailey
-Pelfrey
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Postby dis2233 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:50 pm

Thanks for the response. Who would be the next 3 guys from that list? What would your top 6 look like? Thanks
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Postby rmande09 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:02 pm

Hughes, Bailey, and Pelfrey are all at the top. It's hard to distinguish between the three, but I'd personally go Bailey, Pelfrey, Hughes.

The next "level" would probably consist of Matt Garza, Nick Adenhart, and Andrew Miller. You could argue for both Gio Gonzalez and Adam Miller here, but I'm not too high on them. I also like Andrew Miller a lot, though he could be dropped or bumped up depending on how he develops his third pitch and how his control is in the pros.

From here, not sure. I think Hochevar and Lincecum have the most potential of the rest, but again, not sure how they'll do in the pros. Elbert is the worst of the listed because of his inability to throw three pitches. Wade Davis is a question mark but was great in A-, Gorzellany gets a start tomorrow, though I'm not a big fan. He's a Duke/Sowers-type, a crafty lefty with stuff that won't overpower anyone.

Hope this helps.

I also feel that guys like Yovani Gallardo (MIL, AA) and Ubaldo Jimenez (COL, AAA) need to be considered when talking about top pitching prospects as they have broken out in 2006 and have been dominant, propelling themselves to the top of the class. I feel like they both fit in somewhere between the elite-of-the-elite and group #2.
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Postby Members Only Jackets » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:02 am

nice topic discussed here; (free site)

http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/20 ... 131713/640
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Postby carter » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:44 pm

1. Homer Bailey
2. Philip Hughes
3. Tom Gorzelanny
4. Humberto Sanchez
5. Mike Pelfrey
6. Nick Adenhart
7. Gio Gonzalez
8. Scott Elbert

remains to be seen what Hochevar, Miller, or Lincecum can do against pro's.. its a better skill-test then college, and many get swallowed whole (humber?, neimann? .. lol) so i wouldnt dare rank those 3 yet... not every guy turns out like verlander
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Postby hybrid » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:56 pm

carter wrote:remains to be seen what Hochevar, Miller, or Lincecum can do against pro's.. its a better skill-test then college, and many get swallowed whole (humber?, neimann? .. lol) so i wouldnt dare rank those 3 yet... not every guy turns out like verlander


I agree with your statement as a whole, they are tough to judge. But the pitchers you named had injuries, they didn't have problems with the minors itself.
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Postby carter » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:16 pm

hybrid wrote:the pitchers you named had injuries, they didn't have problems with the minors itself.


hmm.. all 1st round pitchers from 2003 to 2005:

kyle sleeth
tim stauffer
paul malholm
john danks
ryan wagner
jeff allison
chad cordero
david aardsma
chad billingsley
brad sullivan
adam miller
craig whitaker
luis atilano
justin verlander
phil humber
jeff niemann
mark rogers
jeremy sowers
homer bailey
thomas diamond
jered weaver
bill bray
david purcey
scott elbert
chris lambert
glen perkins
philip hughes
kyle waldrop
taylor tankersley
matt campbell
eric hurley
wade townsend
rickey romero
mike pelfrey
chris volstad
cesar carrillo
mark pawalek
aaron thompson
brian bogusevic
matt garza
craig hansen
joey devine
jacob marceaux

injury or not, it looks pretty hit or miss to me
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Postby hybrid » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:25 pm

Well if you read my whole post, I said I agreed. Also the comment you made was about top college pitchers, not all 1st round pitchers in the draft. Everyone knows how hard pitching prospects are hard to come by.
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Postby carter » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:32 pm

i'm glad you agree

actually my point goes for HS pitchers too, its just that Dis didn't ask about any HS guys like Drabek, so i didnt mention them.... but yea, the point is - pro competition = better skill test (for college and hs guys both) and that its better to get a decent sample size of what they do in the minors, before ranking them ... yep
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