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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:37 pm

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acsguitar wrote:
Omaha Red Sox wrote:Would you rather your daughter be screwing a bunch of hillbillies wearing rubbers or not having sex at all? :-?

Teach your child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from you.

Adoption>Abortion

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Agreed adoption over abortion.

Is planned parent hood an abortion agency? I always thought they were adoption.

I don't get it.


A building that surrounds itself with a defensive barrier does not promote the more logical of the two choices. If a teenage girl walks into Planned Parenthood, the first pamphlet they give her is the abortion one. Then they encourage her to keep it from her parents.


Not true. Don't spread lies. How many women have you been to Planned Parenthood with? (Me, I've been along a few times)


Do not suggest that I am spreading lies. I took a young friend when I was still in high school. It was not my kid and we were ignorant and didn't realize that Planned Parenthood was pro-abortioin, but pro-'what's best for you'. We were immediately given pamphlets about the procedure and she was asked to fill out some paperwork. She commented that her parents didn't know yet and the nurse reassured her that she'd do her best to make sure they don't find out.

PP's Purpose and Plan
Take for example, the following words, as expressed by Dr. Lena Levine in 1953, concerning PP's purpose and planned course of action: "... to be ready as educators and parents to help young people obtain sex satisfaction before marriage. By sanctioning sex before marriage we will prevent fear and guilt. We must also relieve those who have these ... feelings, and we must be ready to provide young boys and girls with the best contraceptive measures available so they will have the necessary means to achieve sexual satisfaction without having to risk possible pregnancy." ("Psycho-Sexual Development," quoted in Planned Parenthood News, Summer 1953, pg. 10)


Pregnancy: A Disease?
Furthermore, PP has an unhealthy concept of pregnancy, as it views the state of gestation as an abnormal condition or disease. Speaking for the organization, Dr. Warren Hern refers to human pregnancy as "an episodic, moderately extended chronic condition ... May be defined as an illness ... Treated by evacuation of the uterine contents..."("Is Pregnancy Really Normal?" Family Planning Perspective, Planned Parenthood, vol. 3, No. 1, Jan. 1971, pg. 9)


Anti-Family Philosophy
Of course, PP plays down its anti-family philosophy, particularly its historic roots in the science of eugenics (to which its founder, Margaret Sanger, was adamantly committed). Though they call themselves "pro-choice," they are in practice exclusively "for women's choice." (Abortion is certainly no in the baby's best interest!) And for every father of these children, "pro-choice" means no choice. It matters not whether the woman is his wife, or the unborn baby the heir and only offspring of the family tree; the same man who would be required by law to provide support for the child's first 18 years of life, were the mother to opt against abortion, possesses no rights whatsoever in determining whether that child should ever see the light of day. Who has decreed that the rights of fathers should be waived in support of the "woman's choice" -- and by what authority?


Inconsistencies
Another inconsistency that defies logic is this: If a man, in a fit of anger or drunkenness, beats a pregnant woman or drives so carelessly as to cause an accident, and the child in her womb dies as a result, he may be found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to prison. (State laws vary regarding "feticide.") If he is a doctor, on the other hand, and -- in his clean, white coat, with the pre-meditated intent of killing the child -- performs a procedure that, in effect, brings on the same result, he receives great community respect, is addressed with no less honorable a title than "doctor" and is even afforded compensation for his "job well done"!


It's not a highly publicized fact, but the legalization of abortion has by no means eliminated maternal morbidity consequent to the abortion procedure. According to the US Department of Health and Human Services, 164 maternal deaths were reported between 1972-80 as directly resulting from complications related to legal abortions in the US. (Annual Summary of the Centers for Disease Control -- Abortion Surveillance Report, issued May 1983, p. 44) And death certificates do not always list abortion as the direct cause. [The cause of death often is listed as "Infection," "Hemorrhage," etc., and therefore not included in the count of abortion-related deaths -- even when these were the direct result of abortion.] Still others are left comatose, paralyzed, sterile or otherwise permanently impaired -- not to mention the psychological and emotional trauma -- following an abortion.


Planned Parenthood blocked an informed consent/right to know law in Florida and has sought to block similar laws in Montana, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.
One of the four stated goals of Planned Parenthood's "Responsible Choices" action agenda is to "ensure access to abortion," and the report details numerous examples of Planned Parenthood's aggressive political and legal advocacy.
The report says, "Our energetic advocacy efforts throughout the previous year proved crucial, in September 1998, to sustaining President Clinton's veto of the so called 'Partial-Birth' Abortion Ban Act." Calling mandatory parental involvement laws "devastating," Planned Parenthood says "we continued our fight against the. . . Child Custody Protection Act."
Planned Parenthood is fighting against the Child Custody Protection Act in more ways than one. At "teenwire," Planned Parenthood's new web site aimed at teens (http://www.teenwire.com), pregnant teens are told that they should tell their parents "if you can" and warned that many states have parental consent or notification laws.
The advice doesn't end there, however. "If you don't feel that you can tell your parents," the site informs teens, "a judge may be able to give you permission anyway." A separate page lists the requirements of each state and the conditions of a judicial bypass.
Ever helpful, the site tells teens, "The counselors at the clinic in your area will be able to explain the laws in your state or region of the country and help you make arrangements."
Teenwire informs web surfers that some teens travel to neighboring states to have their abortions where, one supposes, the requirements are easier or non-existent.
Planned Parenthood was active in challenging various other pro-life measures in the states. Saying that it had "blocked bans on abortion methods," the report says that Planned Parenthood Legal Defense Fund had helped win permanent injunctions against partial-birth abortion bans in Arizona and Montana and temporary injunctions against similar laws in Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, and Virginia. (The injunction against the Virginia law was later removed.)
Speaking of its public policy efforts, Planned Parenthood complained of the "distortion" and "sensationalism" of "religious political extremists," never mentioning the role it and other pro-abortion organizations played in perpetuating misinformation about the truly extreme partial-birth abortion procedure.


You've already told us a lot about yourself by admitting that you've 'been a few times'. You're probably even proud of that. :-t


So in one, once PP rep supported a girls choice to not tell her parents and that, to you, equals "If a teenage girl walks into Planned Parenthood, the first pamphlet they give her is the abortion one. Then they encourage her to keep it from her parents."

I know you're smarter than that.

And keep from the uneeded prejudice. That's what I get for being honest? DAMN STRAIGHT I'M PROUD I ESCORTED MY G/F TO PP, DAMN PROUD WE DID THE RIGHT THING AND I'M DAMN PROUD I SUPPORTED HER.

You can post all the manipulated biased right wing crap you want, the fact remains, church should be separate from state.

You're being ignorant with negative consequences to others.
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:38 pm

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acsguitar wrote:Anyways I think this priest is out of line


That's cool. No matter how much we debate this, we're not going to solve the question of abortion in the GT forum here at the Cafe. :-D

Good discussion everyone. I'm probably bowing out of this one too. B-)


yea we aren't gonna solve anything.

Its just its sad to see something that is intended to be such a good thing be turned around


Are you guys serious?! All of the world's problems can be solved by the General Talk forum at the Cafe. I am shocked that the two of you, especially the two of you, were not aware of this.
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Postby Dan Lambskin » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:56 pm

one thing i find funny, is that it seems like the same people (and i'm not necessarily referring to the Cafe, but just debates on this issue in general) that are anti-abortion are also anti-supporting-single-welfare-mothers-with-3-kids, becasue they made those choices and we shouldnt be resposible for them

sure adoption is the best solution to an unwanted pregancy in a perfect world, but lets face it, the world is far from perfect. for every succesful adoption you have some 13 year old deciding to keep her baby at the last minute because it's cute, and lets face it, rich white couples arent exactly rushing out to adopt crack babies from the inner city

sorry if some of that sounds harsh, and you can guess my stance on the issues, but i just felt like getting my feelings out on this one.
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Postby Coppermine » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:58 pm

I have a hard time believing that the catholic church is fulfilling some moral obligation to be totally against premarital sex and birth control.
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:06 pm

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:So in one, once PP rep supported a girls choice to not tell her parents and that, to you, equals "If a teenage girl walks into Planned Parenthood, the first pamphlet they give her is the abortion one. Then they encourage her to keep it from her parents."

I know you're smarter than that.

And keep from the uneeded prejudice. That's what I get for being honest? DAMN STRAIGHT I'M PROUD I ESCORTED MY G/F TO PP, DAMN PROUD WE DID THE RIGHT THING AND I'M DAMN PROUD I SUPPORTED HER.

You can post all the manipulated biased right wing crap you want, the fact remains, church should be separate from state.

You're being ignorant with negative consequences to others.


Wow, CM, you just said a whole lot of nothing there didn't you? You know what I meant when I said you're probably proud to have 'been a few times'. Don't act like I suggested otherwise. You have obviously not done any real research on the subject and you probably didn't even read the very post you quoted. There was a part I intentionally bolded for you to see. It read:
Planned Parenthood blocked an informed consent/right to know law in Florida and has sought to block similar laws in Montana, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.

Apparently you are ignoring this for the convenience of your conscious.

What does separation of church and state have to do with this? Just changing the subject because you're not too knowledgeable about this one?

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:You're being ignorant with negative consequences to others


This makes absolutely no sense, but is pretty funny. It appears your ‘brilliance’ has served you especially well in the past, or at ‘a few times’.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:37 pm

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Coppermine wrote:For example, to this day, Catholic missionaries and priests continue to preach against condoms and birth control in Africa even though thousands, if not millions have died of AIDS. Their abstinance only approach is outrageous and to stand up in front of the doctors and medical volunteers and outrightly condemn the use of condoms in any way shape or form is close to murder.

In defense of the priests, I wouldn't have sex with a girl I knew had the HIV even if we were both encased in latex. The abstinence arguement is perfectly logical, just much more difficult to follow en masse.

About the HIV, I believe the odds on the Penn and Teller BS episode about abstinence about getting HIV with a condom on, the odds were like 5 million to 1, better than the 500 to 1 without one.
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Postby Coppermine » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:47 pm

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Coppermine wrote:For example, to this day, Catholic missionaries and priests continue to preach against condoms and birth control in Africa even though thousands, if not millions have died of AIDS. Their abstinance only approach is outrageous and to stand up in front of the doctors and medical volunteers and outrightly condemn the use of condoms in any way shape or form is close to murder.

In defense of the priests, I wouldn't have sex with a girl I knew had the HIV even if we were both encased in latex. The abstinence arguement is perfectly logical, just much more difficult to follow en masse.

About the HIV, I believe the odds on the Penn and Teller BS episode about abstinence about getting HIV with a condom on, the odds were like 5 million to 1, better than the 500 to 1 without one.


If your partner is HIV-positive, your chances of getting AIDS after one night are 1 in 5,000 with a condom, 1 in 500 without. Have sex with an HIV-positive partner 500 times using condoms and your chances escalate to 1 in 11. Without a condom and they're 2 in 3.


If you have sex with someone who is not in a "high risk group" (i.e. promiscuous homosexual males, IV drug user in metro area, hemophiliac) then your chances of contracting HIV without a condom are about 1 in 5 million. With a condom and it's 1 in 50 million.
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:55 pm

Coppermine wrote:
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RugbyD wrote:
Coppermine wrote:For example, to this day, Catholic missionaries and priests continue to preach against condoms and birth control in Africa even though thousands, if not millions have died of AIDS. Their abstinance only approach is outrageous and to stand up in front of the doctors and medical volunteers and outrightly condemn the use of condoms in any way shape or form is close to murder.

In defense of the priests, I wouldn't have sex with a girl I knew had the HIV even if we were both encased in latex. The abstinence arguement is perfectly logical, just much more difficult to follow en masse.

About the HIV, I believe the odds on the Penn and Teller BS episode about abstinence about getting HIV with a condom on, the odds were like 5 million to 1, better than the 500 to 1 without one.


If your partner is HIV-positive, your chances of getting AIDS after one night are 1 in 5,000 with a condom, 1 in 500 without. Have sex with an HIV-positive partner 500 times using condoms and your chances escalate to 1 in 11. Without a condom and they're 2 in 3.


If you have sex with someone who is not in a "high risk group" (i.e. promiscuous homosexual males, IV drug user in metro area, hemophiliac) then your chances of contracting HIV without a condom are about 1 in 5 million. With a condom and it's 1 in 50 million.


White straight men have almost no chance of contracting aid's even unprotected
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Postby Fireball Express » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:04 pm

I don't really want to dive into this arguement b/c I may get banned with some of my emotional outbursts. I'm a passionate Pro-Lifer who's attended rallies (and been assaulted at one). In my mind abortion is murder and anyone who has one or performs one is a murderer.

Anyhow, there's only one way to judge this arguement. Click on the link below and you be ther judge. ;-7

http://www.zombietime.com/walk_for_life/part_3/
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:06 pm

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Anyhow, there's only one way to judge this arguement. Click on the link below and you be ther judge. ;-7

http://www.zombietime.com/walk_for_life/part_3/


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