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Postby pkarr5000 » Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:30 pm

while you people have been talking about mike piazza and his great game, you have forgoten about johan!!!!!! is anyone else noticing this?

8 ip 4 hits 0 er 0 r 1 bb 8 k's

i dont care about dontrelle and beckett, him and mulder are doing prettay well right now
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Postby McGill » Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:06 pm

I dont think hell get the win though...Too bad. :-C



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Postby kcs261 » Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:51 pm

Too many people bailed on this guy way too quick -- when common sense told you that it might take a few starts for him to get acclamated to being in the rotation. ;-D
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Postby slomo007 » Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:02 am

I love Johan, don't get me wrong, but I think it will take a quality start against a quality offense before I will say he has lived up to his hype. He pitched against the Indians, in a 0-0 game now in the 13th inning, obviously nobody is swinging the bat well tonight. I hope this was a sign of things to come, but I'm not getting my hopes up quite yet.
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Postby kcs261 » Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:09 am

The fact that he plays in the AL Central is a prime reason I wanted him. I can't tell you how much I here that argument, though. But from a fantasy perspective it really doesn't matter who he plays against. All that counts are the stats and his starts have helped my team big-time in the last 3 games. I don't know yet, either, whether he's a top-10 guy. But a top-25 SP? You betcha.
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Postby quickfingerz » Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:56 am

Yeah, the general consensus on this forum was to drop him so i listened and dropped him. His WHIP has been under .9 in the last month.
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Postby kcs261 » Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:21 am

Advising somebody to dump Santana was a big stinker. I don't know how they jumped to so many conclusions after a couple of mediocre starts. No offense, but that was ridiculous advise. You should sue them for malpractice. :-t
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Postby Madison » Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:36 am

It was a very nice game for Santana. It's a shame they couldn't score 1 run to get him a win.
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Postby d18Mike » Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:33 am

Apparently in his lesser starts he was having problems getting his change up over, and arguably using it too much.

Since less-than- stellar outing against the Tigers he has changed his approach and will be using more heat -- hence last night's result.

75% of the reason I picked him up was his soft schedule. His projected post All-Star starts include 4 games vs. Tigers, 3 vs. Indians, 2 vs. KC, 2Vs. WSox, 1-2 vs. Texas and Baltimore. (I may be off a bit, I'm working from memory)

There are some tough outing in there but no Yankees, Rex Sox or Mariners to face.
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Re: Santana

Postby slomo007 » Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:37 am

d18Mike wrote:Apparently in his lesser starts he was having problems getting his change up over, and arguably using it too much.

Since less-than- stellar outing against the Tigers he has changed his approach and will be using more heat -- hence last night's result.



Thanks for the info...that helps explain it a lot! Anyone who allows runs vs. the Tigers MUST be doing something wrong.
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