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Postby RugbyD » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:02 am

The Loveable Losers wrote:
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RugbyD wrote:i think all balls used in games should be exactly the same, park effect should only be the result of the park itself, not the park location's effect on the ball.


Exactly. Majority of the parks do not have humidors which means none of the parks should use humidors until it's permitted/mandatory for all parks.


Let's just forget about this humidor crap. Seriously - if you want less home runs then lets just change to shot puts. What's next? Putting up walls around Wrigley to make sure the wind never blows out?

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for me its not about home runs, its about consistency.
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:05 am

There has never been any consistancy and for me consistancy = boredom (at least in this regard). Humidity affects more than the ball...it affects wind resistance as well. Wind direction can shift in different parks. I could go on and on here but basically every park is different. This is an effort to homogenize the park effects and while it only changes part of the overall park effects I'm against anything that attempts to make one park play the same as the others. Variety in the park factors is part of what makes baseball interesting. Why try to squash that?
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:27 am

RugbyD wrote:
The Loveable Losers wrote:
Omaha Red Sox wrote:
RugbyD wrote:i think all balls used in games should be exactly the same, park effect should only be the result of the park itself, not the park location's effect on the ball.


Exactly. Majority of the parks do not have humidors which means none of the parks should use humidors until it's permitted/mandatory for all parks.


Let's just forget about this humidor crap. Seriously - if you want less home runs then lets just change to shot puts. What's next? Putting up walls around Wrigley to make sure the wind never blows out?

:-t

for me its not about home runs, its about consistency.


Right, that's what I was getting at. I personally don't think any parks should be using humidors, but it needs to be a rule that you either can or can't use them.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:30 am

"hey Beavis, lets turn up the humidor...heh heh heh heh heh"
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Postby RugbyD » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:56 am

The Loveable Losers wrote:There has never been any consistancy and for me consistancy = boredom (at least in this regard). Humidity affects more than the ball...it affects wind resistance as well. Wind direction can shift in different parks. I could go on and on here but basically every park is different. This is an effort to homogenize the park effects and while it only changes part of the overall park effects I'm against anything that attempts to make one park play the same as the others. Variety in the park factors is part of what makes baseball interesting. Why try to squash that?

i think there needs to be a line drawn between consistency and conformity. things that affect the game on every single pitch should be made as consistent as possible. things like the ball, the strike zone, the bat barrel max, mound height, etc.

conformity would be things like park dimensions, dome temp, etc. i have no problem with the nature of the park itself affecting play (weather, altitude, foul acreage, etc), but focal pionts of the game should be consistent or why bother with the rules in place? MLB has a range of acceptability for balls right now that are workable from a degisn and production standpoint. why not use humidors to enhance the intent of those rules?
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:05 pm

RugbyD wrote:MLB has a range of acceptability for balls right now that are workable from a degisn and production standpoint. why not use humidors to enhance the intent of those rules?


I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I view the effect of humidity on the ball as a weather/park related and you view it as equipment related. I can understand your viewpoint...I just don't agree with it.
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Postby swyck » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:30 pm

The Loveable Losers wrote:
Omaha Red Sox wrote:
RugbyD wrote:i think all balls used in games should be exactly the same, park effect should only be the result of the park itself, not the park location's effect on the ball.


Exactly. Majority of the parks do not have humidors which means none of the parks should use humidors until it's permitted/mandatory for all parks.


Let's just forget about this humidor crap. Seriously - if you want less home runs then lets just change to shot puts. What's next? Putting up walls around Wrigley to make sure the wind never blows out?

:-t

Maybe you should ask some of the stud pitchers that refuse to even considering going to play for the Rockies about what they think about the humidor?
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:33 pm

swyck wrote:
The Loveable Losers wrote:
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RugbyD wrote:i think all balls used in games should be exactly the same, park effect should only be the result of the park itself, not the park location's effect on the ball.


Exactly. Majority of the parks do not have humidors which means none of the parks should use humidors until it's permitted/mandatory for all parks.


Let's just forget about this humidor crap. Seriously - if you want less home runs then lets just change to shot puts. What's next? Putting up walls around Wrigley to make sure the wind never blows out?

:-t

Maybe you should ask some of the stud pitchers that refuse to even considering going to play for the Rockies about what they think about the humidor?


I'm sure they like it quite a bit. They probably also wouldn't mind having all hitters at Coors field required to bat with balsa wood bats. ;)
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Postby acsguitar » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:14 pm

RugbyD wrote:i think all balls used in games should be exactly the same, so every one should have a humidor with the same settings. park effect should only be the result of the park itself, not the park location's effect on the ball.


Agreed 100%

The weather is causing the ball to fly not the stadium. Everyone should be playing with the same ball.
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Postby dracovonborax » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:39 pm

I say we put a humidor in Petco...Peavy would love that. :)
why should we be allowed to enhance the field of play but not enhance our bodies... i say both are wrong and should not be allowed.
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