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Postby Havok1517 » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:48 pm

You think Pit needs more rebuilding? Get Real. <img src=/forums/images/smiles/kiss.gif>
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Postby mweir145 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:57 am

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johnsamo wrote:THink about it, 3 years from now, all those Pirates will be gone anyway... No way the Pirates have the bank to resign Bay....

Better too grab two possibly great pitchers and some good young prospects now.


The Pirates won't let Bay get away. I know they don't usually sign guys to big deals but he's too good to let go.



Agreed. If they won't/can't sign a guy like Bay, they should go ahead and fold up the franchise.

They already did sign him to a long term contract. He's in Pittsburgh past 2009.
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Postby mweir145 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:01 am

johnsamo wrote:Pirate fans pretending they can keep Bay are living in an illusion with the big $ teams (and Bay's agent) just chomping at the bit to pounce when he hits free agency.

The Pirate fans have to be realistic. The Pirates basically have to try and be competitive by being like the A's or CLeveland. Build a good young farm system, either sign their future stars to long terms deals very early (too late for Bay) or trade your star guys a year or so before their due for free agency. Hope you can piece together enuf good young kids, the players you signed to long term deals early, and the occassional not too expensive veteran players to stay competitive and keep the turnstyles turning.

When small markets team loses or trades very late their cheap star, they're basically wasting an asset. Oakland and Cleveland are very good at this sort of small market dillemma, that's why they are often contenders and in the series, the Pirates aren't and that's why they haven't been good since the days of Stargell and Parker.

This is twice now you've talked about big-time players on small-market teams (Crawford, and now Bay) heading to the Angels in deals because the small-market teams can't sign them. You should look up the players first, because both of them have been signed by their teams long-term, and in reality, that's what happens much of the time when teams want to sign their young stars before they get too good.
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Postby Apollo » Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:10 am

Why hasn't this thread either been deleted or had its title changed yet?
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Postby thursday_13 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:36 am

Honestly, the Angles won't benefit from Bay as much as they would from Bonds.

Bonds would survive in the Majors another 2-3 years if he could only DH. The Angels, off all american league teams, has the most to offer Bonds.

1. They are a very short move away. I'm also under the impression that Bonds has a home in LA anyways.

2. They need an extra power bat to protect/be protected by Vlad. Whose best years are being totally wasted right now.

3. The angles have the young hitters and pitchers surplus that would allow them to but themselves into contention. I can't see why the Giants wouldn't send Bonds off for Morales and Kotchman. Maybe throw in a pitcher somewhere in the minors (not named weaver).


Bonds could really benefit from the move, the Angels would storm into the playoffs, and both sides would be happy.
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Postby johnsamo » Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:25 am

YES.... MONITORS.... PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD. I STARTED IT, NOW I WANT IT STOPPED. Had no idea so many Pirate fans would crawl out of the woodworks to call me an idiot and a heretic. Please kill the thread before they storm my castle and burn me as a witch.
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Postby mweir145 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:46 am

johnsamo wrote:YES.... MONITORS.... PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD. I STARTED IT, NOW I WANT IT STOPPED. Had no idea so many Pirate fans would crawl out of the woodworks to call me an idiot and a heretic. Please kill the thread before they storm my castle and burn me as a witch.

Well first of all, you shouldn't make titles like this one. It's far worse than saying "Crawford admits to steroid use," which yesterday got locked for being a "bad joke."

And second of all, if you're going to make up trades that the Angels can do, atleast give a good reason why the small-market teams (Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay etc..) would do that deal. You should do a little bit of research about these players your team could supposedly trade for. This is the 2nd time you've said that the small-market teams will be unable to sign their franchise player when he becomes a FA, but in reality, they've already signed the guy long-term (this is the case with both Carl Crawford and Jason Bay). There's almost no reason why these franchises would trade their best players away at this point in their careers. Sure it's alright to speculate about stuff like this, but you should make it something that actually has a small chance to happen, instead of something that will never occur, like this Jason Bay trade for example. There's nothing I hate more than seeing big-market fans making up ridiculous trade offers like this one to trade for franchise players on small market teams.
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