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Postby Yin_Xu88 » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:58 pm

just when it looked like Valverde was back on track... he gets rocked b y the freaking angels!!!. Time to drop him :-/
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Postby johnsamo » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:00 am

When the Angels are raking you, you've got problems.
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Postby jonesbros » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:13 am

Got rid of him over a week ago-- reluctantly-- and another guy picked him up. Glad he's not my headache any more!

3 runs in one inning of work????!!!! Validation! Gotta love it! I'd rather have no closer than one who keeps blowing cats for me night after night.
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Postby rainman23 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:14 am

RugbyD wrote:assuming he doesn't slip, he's great for roto still. not much use in h2h.


Why do you think he would be more valuable in roto?
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Postby jonesbros » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:15 am

What's even more ironic is that I dropped him for ESantana who is poised for his 8th win and 2nd since I picked him up.
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Postby Amazing Oopah » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:19 am

This guy is turning into a headache. If you sit him, he pitches well, and when you think he has put it all together, he gifts you 1 IP, 3 ER :-o

I've dropped him myself. I'd much rather pick up a nice starter than waste a spot on him on the bench all the time.
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Postby Smee » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:35 am

Tonight was the last straw. :-t

Goodbye Valverde, I thought I made quite the sexy pick on draft day. :~(

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Postby TheYanks04 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:47 am

Has Ariz ever had a decent closer?

They seem to go through them like Cashman does middle relievers.
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Postby RugbyD » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:22 am

rainman23 wrote:
RugbyD wrote:assuming he doesn't slip, he's great for roto still. not much use in h2h.


Why do you think he would be more valuable in roto?

in roto, big K, low-ratio MRs are gold b/c of the constant cumulative effect. they good for a whole seson as opposed to random plug-ins in h2h wheree you'd rather have someone who will get a save or a W. looks like he's still got a ways to go to regain that luster though.
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Postby Snakes Gould » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:51 am

TheYanks04 wrote:Has Ariz ever had a decent closer?

They seem to go through them like Cashman does middle relievers.


1998 gregg olsen 30 svs 3.01 era
1999 matt mantei 22 svs (after taking over for olsen) 2.79 era
2000 mantei 17 svs 4.57 era, bk kim 14 svs 4.46 era
2001 kim 19 svs 2.94 era
2002 kim 36 svs 2.04 era
2003 mantei 29 svs 2.62 era valverde 10 svs 2.15 era
2004 aquino 16 svs 3.06 era
2005 valverde 15 svs 2.44 era bruney 12 svs 7.43 era lyon 14 svs 6.44 era
2006 valverde 14 svs 6.59 era julio 5 svs 3.51 era


to answer your question NO they never have, although most of the guys used were successful for very small periods of time. im pretty sure all of the guys used have come through within the organization (exclusing olsen, expansion yr) so maybe the organization just doesnt really value closers that high, so they wont go out and spend on one. julio arrived via trade so maybe this is the start of them changing their opinion about closers. :-?
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