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Postby riverrat » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:58 pm

1 manager drafted MANY SP's and has been using all of them to the extent that he'll run-out on innings by the end of July..estimate. He has most wins and k's and has the 2nd best era.
He's now trying to trade off some SP's in order to get a completely unbelievable offense. Should he be allowed to?
He's currently in 1st place. The added offense....he wont be caught.
Valid strategy or abusing the system. Commish should do what?

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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:01 pm

riverrat wrote:1 manager drafted MANY SP's and has been using all of them to the extent that he'll run-out on innings by the end of July..estimate. He has most wins and k's and has the 2nd best era.
He's now trying to trade off some SP's in order to get a completely unbelievable offense. Should he be allowed to?
He's currently in 1st place. The added offense....he wont be caught.
Valid strategy or abusing the system. Commish should do what?

Thanks


Let him, need should always be more important than value. Its also a strategy that rarely works. But if he has made it half way through with those stats, more power to him.
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Postby Amazing Oopah » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:01 pm

It's a valid strategy in my mind unless the commish said something against it before the draft.

also... could you list his rotation? I'm interested in seeing what we are talking about here.
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Postby Matthias » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:03 pm

riverrat wrote:1 manager drafted MANY SP's and has been using all of them to the extent that he'll run-out on innings by the end of July..estimate. He has most wins and k's and has the 2nd best era.
He's now trying to trade off some SP's in order to get a completely unbelievable offense. Should he be allowed to?
He's currently in 1st place. The added offense....he wont be caught.
Valid strategy or abusing the system. Commish should do what?

Thanks


I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to. So what if he played lots of pitchers?

Commish should do nothing.
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Postby great gretzky » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:06 pm

how can this even be questioned? Everyone gets the same amount of innings, he can use them as he sees fit.

I don't think its that wise of a strategy, because A) you almost have to take less than full value, since you can't use the pitcher, and your whole strategy hinges on onloading them. B) you give everyone a set target to shoot for.
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Postby bleach168 » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:16 pm

Yup, you know he's desperate to trade, so don't give him full value.

Problem solved.
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Postby Matthias » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:17 pm

This of it this way: you're allocated 100 innings (for simplicity's sake) to use as you see fit.

You can either:
(a) use your stud pitcher to pitch all 100 innings; or
(b) split your 100 innings between your studs and some not-so-studs.

The fact that he had not-so-studs water down his pitching stats isn't something to be concerned about. If he got lucky and they did well for him (2nd in ERA) more power to him. But would you care if he used all of his studs for half a season and then traded them away for hitting and got by with what he found on the waiver wire or left on his bench to finish the season? Of course not. And it's really no different.
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Postby Laean » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:21 pm

it's absolutely a valid strategy.
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Postby riverrat » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:21 pm

His current 9, yes nine, SP's are:

SP C. Zambrano
SP N. Lowry
P D. Haren
BN B. Penny
BN R. Oswalt
BN B. Myers
BN B. Arroyo
BN A. Pettitte
BN C. Carpenter

And for not getting = value? Pending trade is Carpenter for V.Wells. NOT = huh? Should the commish insist upon a more lopsided deal?
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Postby great gretzky » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:25 pm

well good for him. with that crew, its gonna be hard to catch his ratios, and they will be locked in, he can't get worse, someone will have to pass him.

No, the commish shouldn't insist on it. Butthe league is kind of silly in some respects if they give him full value or better. Its funny, I've seen leagues refuse to trade with that type of strategy, and as far as I know, we all didn't get together and decide it, its just everyone realized it was in their best interest to let him twist on the vine until he cracked. and by that point, the hitters he got weren't good enough to make the strategy work.

If you are going to do this, you need to do it gradually in my opinion, and peel off a starter here and there, building up tot he point where you are done with pitching with a quarter left. Doing it this early gives the other teams too much time to compensate for it IMO.
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