Ozzie shoots off at the mouth again

[Chrisy Moltisanti]

One thing I think you have to give Guillen credit for is the handling of his pitchers, specifically the pen.

so becasue he is a good baseball man, it gives him the liberty to walk all over anybody he chooses with out care to who he has offended .. I think not

Don't get me wrong here, I certainly do not agree with that. However, based on precedent, that would seem to be how things often work.


Take this in abstract: What if OG used the word wimp, instead of the word he used?

[Super Manny]

(and for that matter, we had an Asian kid in HS whose nickname was "gook" and he never once got offended).

If you honestly have yourself convinced that a derrogatory nickname didn't bother an acquaintance of yours, you're sorely mistaken. Did you ever bother to think that maybe this Asian lad didn't "act offended" because he wanted to be accepted by his friends? If he was able to hang out with a select group in high school, which is nothing more than a cliquey popularity contest, perhaps he bit his tongue through four years of torment.

I may be wrong, but doubt I am. In the event that I am, however, your little anecdote is the exception to the rule. I dare you to approach someone of a different ethnicity, religious group, or lifestyle and address them by a slur. I guarantee that this individual will not be as tolerant.

[Chrisy Moltisanti]

well I wouldn't look at him as a representative of our country. More as a rep of baseball. I mean heck he gladly hopped on a plane owned by Hugo Chavez right after winning the World Series.
He def. does not represent me ..
I do think a suspension of some sort is in order. The man is out of control. Kenny Williams must be pulling his hair out by now having to deal with the garbage that follows Guillen around. As was pointed out earlier, untrained monkeys could have got that|this team to the playoffs and possibly the World Series. Kenny Williams deserves the credit that Ozzie Guillen takes and rubs in peoples noses in daily.

Guillen is Marge Schott revisited ..
no difference. .

Hmm, I don't know about no diff. to Schott. I mean she was blatantly and admittedly racist, prejudice and discriminating (and a woman). Maybe a little to quick to find a comparable mouth there. I guess we'd have to see him lose for a while to really find out.

I have seen nothing from Guillen to suggest otherwise .. nothing

Oh that's a low blow, now Guillen is a woman eh?

[wrveres]

One thing I think you have to give Guillen credit for is the handling of his pitchers, specifically the pen.

so becasue he is a good baseball man, it gives him the liberty to walk all over anybody he chooses with out care to who he has offended .. I think not

Don't get me wrong here, I certainly do not agree with that. However, based on precedent, that would seem to be how things often work.

Take this in abstract: What if OG used the word wimp, instead of the word he used?

sad but true ...

As for calling Marriotti a wimp, I have no problem with that. I am no fan of Marriottis by any means, and best I can tell he is a wimp.
Guillen has every right to speak out about the bashings that the Mariottis of the world dish out. I just take objection to the way he goes about it .. The launguage used, that sort of thing ..

[RugbyD]

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't ozzie guillen give some BS about he wasn't upset at tracey for missing blalock, but just talking to him about something else? if he's so "tell it like it is" guy, why hide behind some obvious lie of an excuse like that?

i don't see anything wrong with denying doing something that you would get fined for, but shouldn't get fined for, if you admitted doing that thing.

first of all, that's your opinion,. it's not a fact or established overall belief that he shouldn't get fined. and two, a lot of ozzie defenders are saying he's just true to who he is and is being straightforward. and now you're saying he doesn't have to be straightforward if in his opinion he was right? well then i guess i can lie whenever i think i'm right too? gee what a fun world we'd live in if we all did that. "hmm i think it's unfair i got fired for being late just a couple of times in my last job, so i'm going to lie on my resume application and say i've never been fired before."

in the real world, people have to be responsible. and basically, ozzie is being irresponsible, and using the excuse that "oh well this is just me" to try to justify everything. he needs to grow the hell up and realize he's not in some elementary school playground now. he's playing with grown ups. maybe he doesn't solely represent the whitesox organization, but he IS representative of it whether he likes it or not. it's like whenever i do something bad, it reflects to other people on my Korean culture, or my school, or whatever, whether i want it to or not, whether i deny it or not.

please update us on the next time you turn yourself in for breaking the speed limit by 2 mph, oh pure one.

hey i'm not perfect. but i try to be as good and respectful to others as i can be. and when (not if) i do make mistakes, i stand up like a man and apologize, instead of giving ridiculous excuses like "oh that's just me." "oh you were offended? well i didn't mean anything by it, so you're being crazy." how you guys can respect ozzie like he's being a real man or something for the way he behaves, when it is the opposite of how a man should act, is beyond me. children do what they want and say what they want, not grown ups living in the real world.

i think we're talking about separate issues. my point was aimed at your mention of the beanball incident. just as you would not incriminate yourself for going 2 over, neither should ozzie be expected to incriminate himself for ordering a legit beaning.

[Big Pimpin]

(and for that matter, we had an Asian kid in HS whose nickname was "gook" and he never once got offended).

If you honestly have yourself convinced that a derrogatory nickname didn't bother an acquaintance of yours, you're sorely mistaken. Did you ever bother to think that maybe this Asian lad didn't "act offended" because he wanted to be accepted by his friends? If he was able to hang out with a select group in high school, which is nothing more than a cliquey popularity contest, perhaps he bit his tongue through four years of torment.

I may be wrong, but doubt I am. In the event that I am, however, your little anecdote is the exception to the rule. I dare you to approach someone of a different ethnicity, religious group, or lifestyle and address them by a slur. I guarantee that this individual will not be as tolerant.

I can't in my right mind argue that it's not an "insensitive" nickname. And I never called him that, we weren't good enough friends. But my point is that things don't always have to be taken so figuratively all the time. Like the Ozzie quote. He wasn't attacking Mariotti's sexuality, he was calling him a name. Obviously his point wasn't "you're gay and that's bad," he was just calling him out. Maybe he went about it the wrong way, I just don't think it deserves the hubbub it's getting.

Oh man, I seriously think you're psychotic. First you don't oppose WW III because it would "better the world" then you go around saying how we need to throw at players and wish it hurt them more. Maybe you're from Siberia or something, who knows.

If by "psychotic" you mean I am the anti-you and can't possibly be from the same planet because we have such different beliefs, then all I can say to that is...

[zevon]

Personally, I think Ozzie should be suspended for mentioning the WNBA and the suspension should be at least doubled for mentioning Madonna in the same breath.

[JTWood]

My only thoughts on this were that his comments on the WNBA and Madonna were some of the funniest things I'd ever read. If I hadn't been reading it on ESPN, I would have bet my arm it was an article from The Onion.

On a more serious note, I hope he gets fined $250,000 and forced to wear a muzzle to all press conferences from now on.

[TheYanks04]

Yeah well last I heard this was a free country and whether you agree with him or not he has a right to his opinion. He did not yell fire in a movie theatre so why should he be suspeneded for speaking his mind? Those that do not like his viewpoint can opt to not go to WSox games. You can't criminalize speech imo.

[JTWood]

Yeah well last I heard this was a free country and whether you agree with him or not he has a right to his opinion. He did not yell fire in a movie theatre so why should he be suspeneded for speaking his mind? Those that do not like his viewpoint can opt to not go to WSox games. You can't criminalize speech imo.

It is a free country, and he didn't commit a crime I'm aware of, but luckily, he works for a private organization that can do whatever it wants. Hopefully, it makes the right move.