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Postby wrveres » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:30 pm

speaking of intransigent ignorant a-holes :-)
John Rocker wrote:"The guy told me when I got there I had to show up to make it look good for people, so after about 15 minutes I left and walked right out of the room and it satisfied the powers that be," Rocker told the newspaper. ... "This is a free country. If he wants to use a lewd term, he should be able to use a lewd term," Rocker told the newspaper. "Can't you use a lewd term in America if you want?"... He also told the newspaper that he didn't pay any of the fine levied against him by Selig. Rocker was fined $20,000 for his comments, but that was reduced to $500 after appeal. "I never paid a cent, a lot of players never pay a cent," Rocker told the newspaper. "It's just a front to look good and the way Selig cowers to pressure."
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Postby josebach » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:30 pm

Apollo wrote:Josebach: Your example doesn't work because the two examples don't have an existing connection in society. A more apt example would be if Ozzie shouted "Hey everybody, that guy's black! He should be my slave!" Sure, it's possible that the two are unrelated, but not too likely.


I am completely unaware of any existing relationship between homosexuals and child molesting. Besides, I was under the impression that a vast majority of victims are female. Is this not accurate?
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Postby DK » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:36 pm

josebach wrote:
Apollo wrote:Josebach: Your example doesn't work because the two examples don't have an existing connection in society. A more apt example would be if Ozzie shouted "Hey everybody, that guy's black! He should be my slave!" Sure, it's possible that the two are unrelated, but not too likely.


I am completely unaware of any existing relationship between homosexuals and child molesting. Besides, I was under the impression that a vast majority of victims are female. Is this not accurate?


The biggest child molestation cases in media history (In the US, anyway) were both male and male (Michael Jackson/12-year-old, and Priests/altar boys).

The perception is incorrect but it is undoubtedly there.
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Postby Apollo » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:30 pm

josebach wrote:I am completely unaware of any existing relationship between homosexuals and child molesting. Besides, I was under the impression that a vast majority of victims are female. Is this not accurate?


As DK just said, the perception is definitely there. In fact, I'm not sure how you've missed it. Google "homosexuals child molesters" and watch what comes up; nearly every anti-gay group around has a website proclaiming that homosexuals are more likely to be child molesters.

As for pure statistics, in 1970 a poll found that 70 percent of the country thought that homosexuals "tend to get involved with children." As of 1992, only 27 percent of Americans felt safe with a homosexual as their child's teacher. Today, only 20 percent of males and 10 percent of females think homosexuals tend to get involved with children, but that's still an awfully high number for such a stupid idea.

Still don't think it's a common stereotype? Here's a history of it from UC Davis: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... ation.html

And another from religoustolerance.org:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_chil.htm

And here's a bunch of groups feeding the stereotype:

"Traditional values": http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php

"WorldNetDaily": http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=13203

The "Family Research Council": http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3

The "Family Research Institute" (this study is particularly terrible; scientific method is obviously not a priority with them): http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html

Even Wikipedia says so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_mole ... osexuality

This is the one of the basic party lines on why gays aren't allowed to be Catholic clergy, why gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt and why gays shouldn't be allowed to be teachers.

David Sedaris also has a though-provoking and rather funny essay about what it's like to be a homosexual and constantly terrified to ever come into physical contact with a child because of the people that cry child abuse. Look around for it.

Like I said, just look around. The stereotype is pretty much everywhere.
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Postby wrveres » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:01 pm

Its a stereo type that has been around for centuries actually ..

solid post ;-D
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