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Re: A changing of the guard?

Postby Geek » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:09 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Old overall #1: A-Rod
New overall #1: Pujols


A-Rod wasn't the consensus #1 at the beginning of the year, I took Pujols #1 overall in one of my leagues.


I was in 19 Yahoo! leagues, and A-Rod went first in every single one.

Which makes sense, because the drop-off from Pujols to Lee/Tex/Papi wasn't considered nearly as great as the drop-off from A-Rod to . . . McCab? Rolen? Glaus? Chavez? Ensberg?


Em, when you have the #1 overall pick you don't care about positions, you take the best player available and that is Pujols. Plus you are way overhyping the position scarity.

ARod

drop off
David Wright
Miguel Cabrera
that's 2 first rounder

Pujols

drop off
Ortiz
Teixeira
Lee

looks similar


If you look at most Roto drafts, the drafting went something like this:

1. A-Rod.
2. Pujols.
3. Vlad
4. Teixeira (Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
5. Manny
6. Ortiz
7. Santana
8. D. Lee
9. Crawford

Those were almost always the first 9 to go.

To be more realistic, though, none of those guys was going to be around at pick # 24 or 25.

Guys who were around at that point include Thome, Konerko, Howard, Sexson (oops!), Giambi. 1b is always a very deep position.


3B isn't shallow this year.

Glaus is doing really well and I got him in round 9 right after Thome

Round 9
1. _Simulacrum_ Jim Thome(CWS-1B)
2. Playingwithfire Troy Glaus(Tor-3B)
3. pokerplaya Joe Mauer(Min-C)
4. Logan Barry Zito(Oak-SP)
5. Big Pimpin Jason Varitek(Bos-C)
6. baseball6791 John Lackey(Ana-SP)
7. BronXBombers51 Jim Edmonds(Stl-OF)
8. Half Massed Javy Lopez(Bal-C)
9. kingctb27 Brett Myers(Phi-SP)
10. bronxxbomber John Patterson(Was-SP)
11. davidmarver Dan Haren(Oak-SP)
12. OhMrScottyTrav06 Brian Giles(SD-OF)


I forgot to mention the main reason why A-Rod was considered a #1 moreso than Pujols, from what I saw: He was playing in a much better lineup--that is, until Sheff and Matsui got hurt.
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Re: A changing of the guard?

Postby PlayingWithFire » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:13 pm

Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Old overall #1: A-Rod
New overall #1: Pujols


A-Rod wasn't the consensus #1 at the beginning of the year, I took Pujols #1 overall in one of my leagues.


I was in 19 Yahoo! leagues, and A-Rod went first in every single one.

Which makes sense, because the drop-off from Pujols to Lee/Tex/Papi wasn't considered nearly as great as the drop-off from A-Rod to . . . McCab? Rolen? Glaus? Chavez? Ensberg?


Em, when you have the #1 overall pick you don't care about positions, you take the best player available and that is Pujols. Plus you are way overhyping the position scarity.

ARod

drop off
David Wright
Miguel Cabrera
that's 2 first rounder

Pujols

drop off
Ortiz
Teixeira
Lee

looks similar


If you look at most Roto drafts, the drafting went something like this:

1. A-Rod.
2. Pujols.
3. Vlad
4. Teixeira (Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
5. Manny
6. Ortiz
7. Santana
8. D. Lee
9. Crawford

Those were almost always the first 9 to go.

To be more realistic, though, none of those guys was going to be around at pick # 24 or 25.

Guys who were around at that point include Thome, Konerko, Howard, Sexson (oops!), Giambi. 1b is always a very deep position.


3B isn't shallow this year.

Glaus is doing really well and I got him in round 9 right after Thome

Round 9
1. _Simulacrum_ Jim Thome(CWS-1B)
2. Playingwithfire Troy Glaus(Tor-3B)
3. pokerplaya Joe Mauer(Min-C)
4. Logan Barry Zito(Oak-SP)
5. Big Pimpin Jason Varitek(Bos-C)
6. baseball6791 John Lackey(Ana-SP)
7. BronXBombers51 Jim Edmonds(Stl-OF)
8. Half Massed Javy Lopez(Bal-C)
9. kingctb27 Brett Myers(Phi-SP)
10. bronxxbomber John Patterson(Was-SP)
11. davidmarver Dan Haren(Oak-SP)
12. OhMrScottyTrav06 Brian Giles(SD-OF)


I forgot to mention the main reason why A-Rod was considered a #1 moreso than Pujols, from what I saw: He was playing in a much better lineup--that is, until Sheff and Matsui got hurt.


huh? St. Louis is hardly a bad lineup with Eckstein ahead and Rolen, Edmonds behind.
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Re: A changing of the guard?

Postby Geek » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:15 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Geek wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
Old overall #1: A-Rod
New overall #1: Pujols


A-Rod wasn't the consensus #1 at the beginning of the year, I took Pujols #1 overall in one of my leagues.


I was in 19 Yahoo! leagues, and A-Rod went first in every single one.

Which makes sense, because the drop-off from Pujols to Lee/Tex/Papi wasn't considered nearly as great as the drop-off from A-Rod to . . . McCab? Rolen? Glaus? Chavez? Ensberg?


Em, when you have the #1 overall pick you don't care about positions, you take the best player available and that is Pujols. Plus you are way overhyping the position scarity.

ARod

drop off
David Wright
Miguel Cabrera
that's 2 first rounder

Pujols

drop off
Ortiz
Teixeira
Lee

looks similar


If you look at most Roto drafts, the drafting went something like this:

1. A-Rod.
2. Pujols.
3. Vlad
4. Teixeira (Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
5. Manny
6. Ortiz
7. Santana
8. D. Lee
9. Crawford

Those were almost always the first 9 to go.

To be more realistic, though, none of those guys was going to be around at pick # 24 or 25.

Guys who were around at that point include Thome, Konerko, Howard, Sexson (oops!), Giambi. 1b is always a very deep position.


3B isn't shallow this year.

Glaus is doing really well and I got him in round 9 right after Thome

Round 9
1. _Simulacrum_ Jim Thome(CWS-1B)
2. Playingwithfire Troy Glaus(Tor-3B)
3. pokerplaya Joe Mauer(Min-C)
4. Logan Barry Zito(Oak-SP)
5. Big Pimpin Jason Varitek(Bos-C)
6. baseball6791 John Lackey(Ana-SP)
7. BronXBombers51 Jim Edmonds(Stl-OF)
8. Half Massed Javy Lopez(Bal-C)
9. kingctb27 Brett Myers(Phi-SP)
10. bronxxbomber John Patterson(Was-SP)
11. davidmarver Dan Haren(Oak-SP)
12. OhMrScottyTrav06 Brian Giles(SD-OF)


I forgot to mention the main reason why A-Rod was considered a #1 moreso than Pujols, from what I saw: He was playing in a much better lineup--that is, until Sheff and Matsui got hurt.


huh? St. Louis is hardly a bad lineup with Eckstein ahead and Rolen, Edmonds behind.


They're not a bad lineup, but Eckstein ain't no Damon or Jeter, and Rolen was coming off of shoulder surgery and Edmonds was showing major signs of decline last year. He probably has one more year in the tank before retiring.
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Postby Geek » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:38 am

I do find it strange that no one objected to putting David Ortiz on the "declining list"--considering that he's a monster again this year.
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