johnsamo wrote:Ryan's odd #s are a combination of overwork early in his career and terrible run support for most of his career. Once he was with the Rangers, even though he was 42 when he went there, his win versus loss #s suddenly closely matched what you would expect from his base stats. That was because the Rangers (a) gave him decent run support, (b) took him out when he was having a bad game or got tired.
It was the Angel years that cemented his "walks too many" reputation. One massive reason why he had so many walks was because the Angels rarely took him out. Anybody knows a pitcher starts walking guys when he gets tired. When he was throwing 300+ innings a season, he was walking 200 or so guys. That's also why he had so many losses. starters who get taken when they tire or are having a bad day will often get lucky and got a no decisions, Ryan never had that luxury.
But as his carrer went on and he stopped throwing so many innings a season, his walk ratios plummetted to respectable levels. Once he was in the more reasonable 200 innings a year average, he was walking around 80 guys a year. A massive difference that comes from (a) not being over worked, and (b) getting better at locating.
I swear to God, johnsamo, you're becoming my favorite poster. So much of your stuff reads like great fiction. What I remember is that Ryan had terrible control from the beginning of his career. Your analysis is going to have to recognize this before the rest of your argument has any credibility at all.
But since memories are flawed, let's go to the tape, shall we? Here are his last few years with the Mets, and his first few with the Angels. Do you see anything here that suggests all those extra innings were responsible for his bad control?
IP's BB BB/IP
134 -- 75 -- 0.559701493
89.33 -- 53 -- 0.59330572
131.67 -- 97 -- 0.73669021
152 -- 116 -- 0.763157895
284 -- 157 -- 0.552816901
326 -- 162 -- 0.496932515
332.67 -- 202 -- 0.607208345