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Beltre vs Aramis

Postby pibb55 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:03 pm

Both these guys are slumping huge but It's funny how Beltre is considered one of the worst hitters in baseball but Aramis is automatic to turn things around.

Career Wise
Beltre
551 R 170 HR 617 RBI 74 SB .269 AVG
Aramis
452 R 168 HR 582 RBI 10 SB .275 AVG

Note: Aramis has played in a lot less games but is also a year older than Beltre.


-Beltre is now batting #2 in Seattle, who has the 14th best team Batting Avg compared to Aramis batting 5th in Chicago, the 27th best (or 4th to last) best team batting average.


-Beltre is known to be a second half player
Career 1st Half:
2255 AB 265 R 73 HR 284 RBI .258 AVG
Career 2nd Half:
2041 AB 286 R 97 HR 333 RBI .282 AVG

-Aramis is pretty even 1st and half, but adds power in the 2nd half usually (450 less career 2nd half ABs, but 2 more HRs)


-Beltre Career AB/HR = 25.27
-Aramis Career AB/HR = 20.91

Career BB/K
Beltre- .46
Aramis- .45


Conclusion: Aramis is obviously the better player, I'm not trying to say Beltre will have better stats than Aramis. Aramis has more power but Beltre is a very similar player, and is in a very high run producing situation now in the #2 spot for Seattle. If you have hope for Aramis then have hope for Beltre as well.

:-D
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Postby tomdoyle3 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:20 pm

Beltre had a monster 2004. Now, everyone expects him to put those numbers up every year, but the fact is, he's not that good. The real Adrian Beltre is the one from 1999-2003, and 2005/06. He is a player that will hit put up a line of a 250 BA, 20 hrs and 75 rbis. He is not going to "turn it around," becuase this is how good he his. (ok, maybe we should expect him to improve his numbers a little bit, but not that much.)

Aramis Ramirez has had 6 fantastic years, not 1. (a couple of those years he missed significant time, but still performed while healthy.) Also, Aram has 17 walks and 17 k's. I'm sure that he is a victim of a very low hit rate since he only has 17 k's.

can someone give me a link to a place where you can see players hit rates? thanks
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Postby Yoda » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:37 pm

Is this a joke?
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Postby Gang Green » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:48 pm

Yoda wrote:Is this a joke?


No, just a homer Mariner fan sticking up for his team's dead weight.

Although I did draft Aramis and Beltre this year. !+)
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Postby dc928 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:54 pm

Haha I agreed. Beltre is a joke the only reason he was good on that year is probably steroid induced. You see how big he was that year. If not steroid than Money. That was his contract year.

I say maybe just maybe in his contact year he might possibly have a chance to even have the same kind of year Artmais has...

Althought both of them has been struggling this year tho but I am confident Art will turn it around.....as for Beltre.....I think not!
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Postby bdrotoronto » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:07 pm

Gang Green wrote:
Yoda wrote:Is this a joke?


No, just a homer Mariner fan sticking up for his team's dead weight.

Although I did draft Aramis and Beltre this year. !+)

The argument will lose any credibility it has as soon as he starts referring to him as Trü. :-o
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Postby buminabox » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:10 pm

Some people just can't get over the fact that Adrian Beltre sucks, and is a detriment to any team he plays on.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:35 pm

Beltre's career statistics are obviously flawed by a fluke 2004.
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Postby bigken117 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:49 pm

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Postby pibb55 » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:35 pm

This is exactly what Im talking about... Nobody gives Beltre a chance, so he cant lay off the offspeed pitches out of the zone, leave him alone haha. If he stays in the 2 hole he'll be seeing plenty of fastballs with Ichiro on 1st, they'll be forced to.

Beltre will easily be a top 10 3Bman if he remains in the 2nd spot of the Mariners lineup


Like I said, the point of this post wasn't to say Beltre > Aramis but it was to point out that they are similar, fluke year or not...Beltre still has that potential.
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