davidmarver wrote:Hey Tavish, why is Willie Mays on here, but not Ted Williams?
Because I try to keep the lists at 15 so people don't get bored by the time we are down to the last 5 or so. I left Cobb and Williams off so the list wouldn't be filled with baseball guys. The only one I'm upset I didn't put on the list (and I had every intention of him being there) was Ali.
I realize that, I was just wondering why you decided, then, to keep Mays instead of Williams, who I think would survive much better in this competition.
I figured it would be between Gretsky and Ruth and the rest were just side notes. Jordan is doing alot better than I expected. Not sure if you are comparing Mays and Williams in terms of popularity here at the Cafe or in skill. If you are talking skill I would take Mays anyday.
I was speaking in terms of skill. Mays' career OPS was .941. Williams' was 1.116, and he missed his years at age 24, 25, 26, 33, & 34. Mays with a glove and on the basepaths doesn't make up for the (huge) difference at the plate.
I just want to stick up for Tiger (if you haven't noticed)
The guy is only 30 so he's still got quite a few years ahead of him. But what he does is just crazy. The thing with golf tournaments is you can't get lucky and win. You have to beat every single other golfer in the 4 day event. You have no teammates to lift you when you're down. You're on your own out there against a field of 100 other golfers (more or less). His consecutive cuts streak of 142 is more impressive than DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak. The streak lasted 7 years, think about it.
But Tiger being in the top 5 or so, and he's only 30 says a lot. Seeing as the best years of a golfer's career are in his 30's.
Tiger Woods up to his last tournament:
206 events played
48 1st places
10 major championships
19 2nd places
17 3rd places
125 top 10s
168 top 25s
193 cuts made
davidmarver wrote:I was speaking in terms of skill. Mays' career OPS was .941. Williams' was 1.116, and he missed his years at age 24, 25, 26, 33, & 34. Mays with a glove and on the basepaths doesn't make up for the (huge) difference at the plate.
It more than makes up for the difference (which isn't nearly as huge as you make it out to be). I'll make a more detailed response in the Baseball History forum if you want to debate it some. You probably will have plenty to disagree with, Ted Williams doesn't even make my Top 10 Greatest Players.
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Babe Ruth 15
Wayne Gretzky 26 Michael Jordan 23
Wilt Chamberlain 7
Tiger Woods 4
Wow these are getting down to tough choices. I went with Tiger because I still don't think he's in Jack range yet. He has to continue to play just as well as he has for the next decade to get to probably be the best the sport has ever seen. If this vote was 10 years from now, I'd probably be almost certainly voting for Tiger, but as Mookie said a few pages ago, he could very well turn into the Ken Griffey of golf, you never know (or obviously the greatest of all time).