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Postby crazybob60 » Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:14 am

So realistically, how many pitchers and which ones, do you think will reach that 20 Loss plateau if any????
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:20 am

Bonderman and Maroth should be the only ones to reach that dubios plateau... :-o
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Postby Dog » Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:23 am

I doubt if any manager will allow that to happen. Brian Kingman will likely go down as the last man to ever lose 20 or more games in a season. How long has it been anyway? I was thinking it was 1979 or 1980.
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Postby Dog » Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:28 am

It was 1980.

http://www.20game-losers.com/

Hey, if Glendon Rush was still pitching, he'd have 30 loses by now 8-o
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Postby Madison » Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:33 am

DieHardCubbie wrote:Bonderman and Maroth should be the only ones to reach that dubios plateau... :-o


It will be interesting to see if management lets that happen. Those are the 2 guys I'm keeping an eye on. ;-)
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Postby ramble2 » Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:48 am

Dog wrote:I doubt if any manager will allow that to happen. Brian Kingman will likely go down as the last man to ever lose 20 or more games in a season. How long has it been anyway? I was thinking it was 1979 or 1980.


Don't be shocked if Detroit lets both Bonderman and Maroth get there. Detroit will probably lose close to 40 more games this season (putting them in contention with the '62 Mets), and management is pretty committed to getting those young arms out there. The only reason they might not is if they grow concerned over IP. Of course, this would represent some thoughtfulness on management's part, so don't hold your breath.

This string got me thinking. It might be fun to have a bizarro roto league, where you try and have the worst stats. Lowest batting average, most losses, highest ERA and WHIP, etc. You'd have to impose some kind of minimum ABs and IPs criteria, but that wouldn't be too hard to configure.

The only question is, would Adam Dunn get drafted higher in a regular roto league or a bizarro roto league? :-D
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Postby Madison » Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:59 am

ramble2 wrote:This string got me thinking. It might be fun to have a bizarro roto league, where you try and have the worst stats. Lowest batting average, most losses, highest ERA and WHIP, etc. You'd have to impose some kind of minimum ABs and IPs criteria, but that wouldn't be too hard to configure.

The only question is, would Adam Dunn get drafted higher in a regular roto league or a bizarro roto league? :-D


I've actually had the same thought. As far as Dunn goes, his homers would probably hurt in a bizarro league. :-b
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Postby d18Mike » Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:21 am

Apparently Brian Kingman does not want anyone to lose 20 -- he enjoys a strange degree of celebrity that comes from his misfortune.

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"He can keep that distinction," Maroth said. "If he's proud of it, that's great. It's not something I want to be included in."

Kingman has gone to great lengths to hold off 20-loss bids, even resorting to the occult when interlopers such as Jose DeLeon, Scott Erickson, Omar Daal and Albie Lopez made uninvited runs at his club. Each fell short.

"I'll bring out the voodoo dolls if Maroth gets up to 18 or 19," Kingman said.
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Postby pkarr5000 » Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:08 am

it would be funny then for a person picking up jose lima when he first joined the royals in a bizzaro league
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