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Postby Frappy » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:12 pm

Hey My league has a prospect draft going on where we can keep the guys we chose until the end of the '07 season. So far, I have:

Chad Billingsley
Billy Butler

Now, I was thinking of grabbing Hochevar with either my 3rd or 4th and final pick. Theres not a whole bunch of top talent left over, but here are the notables:
- Jon lester LHP, Bos.
- Felix Pie OF, Chc.
- Philip Hughes RHP, Nyy.

Anyway, Hochevar is soon to be 23 and is primed to get a rotation spot by this september. I truly believe he will see the majors by 07 at the least, which is when I have to keep him. He's got ace potential and should be flying under the radar seeing as he was just drafted and not even signed yet. Im in a smart league, and 14 picks go by after my 3rd round pick - so he could be gone by then.. Should I get 3rd, hope he falls to 4th round, or just not even bother? Oh, and there 3-4 more picks untill I can make my 3rd round pick - so guys like Lester and Pie could be gone by then.
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Postby raiders_umpire » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:52 pm

I would personally want Lester and Hughes well ahead of Hochevar right now.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:05 pm

you really don't know what will happen with college guys but Lester is way safer than Hochevar. Pie next and Hughes after that.
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Postby NatsFan10 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:36 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:you really don't know what will happen with college guys but Lester is way safer than Hochevar. Pie next and Hughes after that.


Well to be fair, Hochevar technically isn't a "college guy" anymore. He has shown the ability to gets outs in pro wood bats league while with Fort Worth, so he's already a step ahead of the other amateur pitchers that were drafted. The Indy League projects out to a High A/Double A level, so it's a good sign that he was able to go there and succeed from the beginning.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:41 pm

NatsFan10 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:you really don't know what will happen with college guys but Lester is way safer than Hochevar. Pie next and Hughes after that.


Well to be fair, Hochevar technically isn't a "college guy" anymore. He has shown the ability to gets outs in pro wood bats league while with Fort Worth, so he's already a step ahead of the other amateur pitchers that were drafted. The Indy League projects out to a High A/Double A level, so it's a good sign that he was able to go there and succeed from the beginning.


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Postby NatsFan10 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:46 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
NatsFan10 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:you really don't know what will happen with college guys but Lester is way safer than Hochevar. Pie next and Hughes after that.


Well to be fair, Hochevar technically isn't a "college guy" anymore. He has shown the ability to gets outs in pro wood bats league while with Fort Worth, so he's already a step ahead of the other amateur pitchers that were drafted. The Indy League projects out to a High A/Double A level, so it's a good sign that he was able to go there and succeed from the beginning.


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Zack Greinke

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I think that helps prove my point, since Hochevar is fairly advanced at this stage and will not need as much development as Royals prospects in the past.

Obviously the Royals have had trouble developing pitching prospects in the past, oh, 10 plus years, but i'm trying to focus mainly on his stuff, command, makeup, etc. rather than focus solely on his organization's past failures.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:55 pm

Zack Greinke is(was) a can't miss prospect and a ton other were considered very good prospect and none of them really succeeded for a prolong time as far as I remember. I'd much much much rather have even proven A+ guys like Adenhart, Garza than Hochevar at this point.

With that said, I hope Hochevar pays off
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Postby NatsFan10 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:01 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:Zack Greinke is(was) a can't miss prospect and a ton other were considered very good prospect and none of them really succeeded for a prolong time as far as I remember. I'd much much much rather have even proven A+ guys like Adenhart, Garza than Hochevar at this point.

With that said, I hope Hochevar pays off


Well, one, Greinke is far from a bust at this point. He had a great breakthrough appearance in 04, obviously an awful 05 which appears like it was due in part to his psychological issues, and is looking good so far in AA. He is still only 22 and has ace stuff and command, so I am FAR from ready to give up on him.

Two, is your decision to put Adenhart and Garza above Hochevar at this point based PURELY on what organization Hochevar is with now? If so, I think that is pretty narrow-minded. Hochevar isn't a high school pitcher, he is a very advanced college "plus" pitcher that is not going to need much development. Let's at least judge him and the rest of the pitchers on their own individual ability rather than subjective factors.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:44 pm

NatsFan10 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Zack Greinke is(was) a can't miss prospect and a ton other were considered very good prospect and none of them really succeeded for a prolong time as far as I remember. I'd much much much rather have even proven A+ guys like Adenhart, Garza than Hochevar at this point.

With that said, I hope Hochevar pays off


Well, one, Greinke is far from a bust at this point. He had a great breakthrough appearance in 04, obviously an awful 05 which appears like it was due in part to his psychological issues, and is looking good so far in AA. He is still only 22 and has ace stuff and command, so I am FAR from ready to give up on him.

Two, is your decision to put Adenhart and Garza above Hochevar at this point based PURELY on what organization Hochevar is with now? If so, I think that is pretty narrow-minded. Hochevar isn't a high school pitcher, he is a very advanced college "plus" pitcher that is not going to need much development. Let's at least judge him and the rest of the pitchers on their own individual ability rather than subjective factors.


the decision is not purely on the organization at this point, but if you are a Royals fan you have to wonder how Hochevar will work out(as I'm typing this, a few other names popped up in my head, Chris George, Kyle Snyder. Ugh.). And who said Adenhart and Garza don't have ability? Garza was a first round draft pick and is up to AA now and is doing excellent(1.90 ERA, 6/30 bb/k in 23.2 innings, 0.72WHIP). Adenhart isn't doing as well but before he had TJ right after high school he was just as hyped as Homer Bailey and he's in good hand in the Angel's system.
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Postby eazyb81 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:06 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
NatsFan10 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Zack Greinke is(was) a can't miss prospect and a ton other were considered very good prospect and none of them really succeeded for a prolong time as far as I remember. I'd much much much rather have even proven A+ guys like Adenhart, Garza than Hochevar at this point.

With that said, I hope Hochevar pays off


Well, one, Greinke is far from a bust at this point. He had a great breakthrough appearance in 04, obviously an awful 05 which appears like it was due in part to his psychological issues, and is looking good so far in AA. He is still only 22 and has ace stuff and command, so I am FAR from ready to give up on him.

Two, is your decision to put Adenhart and Garza above Hochevar at this point based PURELY on what organization Hochevar is with now? If so, I think that is pretty narrow-minded. Hochevar isn't a high school pitcher, he is a very advanced college "plus" pitcher that is not going to need much development. Let's at least judge him and the rest of the pitchers on their own individual ability rather than subjective factors.


the decision is not purely on the organization at this point, but if you are a Royals fan you have to wonder how Hochevar will work out(as I'm typing this, a few other names popped up in my head, Chris George, Kyle Snyder. Ugh.). And who said Adenhart and Garza don't have ability? Garza was a first round draft pick and is up to AA now and is doing excellent(1.90 ERA, 6/30 bb/k in 23.2 innings, 0.72WHIP). Adenhart isn't doing as well but before he had TJ right after high school he was just as hyped as Homer Bailey and he's in good hand in the Angel's system.


First off, my family is from KC and I can help you continue your list with names such as Colt Griffin, Jimmy Gobble, Mike Stodolka, Jeff Austin, Jim Pittsley.......i'll be here all day.

However, my point is that we should judge the pitchers based solely on their individual ability. And I never said Adenhart or Garza don't have ability, I just feel that Hochevar has more.
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