BronXBombers51 wrote: Octavian wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:I'd rather the Red Sox be missing Manny than Ortiz.
Why? Ortiz does more across the board and without all the baggage.
Manny is the better player. He's produced more than Ortiz this year and throughout his career. Eliminate him and you eliminate Boston's biggest threat.
Well, Manny's (13 seasons) career is longer than Ortiz (9 seasons).
2003- 448 AB/.288/31/101/.369OBP
2004- 582 AB/.301/41/139/.380
2005- 601 AB/.300/47/148/.397
2006- 412 AB/.289/39/107/.393
2003- 569 AB/.325/37/104/.427OBP
2004- 569 AB/.308/43/130/.397
2005- 568 AB/.292/45/144/.388
2006- 372 AB/.314/30/86/.317
Since 2003, Oritz's first year in Boston he's out produced Manny, albeit not by much. Manny's OBP is going down, and Ortiz's is going up. And this year, Ortiz is clearly the better offensive player. You can argue that Papi is getting more AB, but that's only a solid argument for 2005 and is heavily in favor or Papi in '03. Plus you could just argue he gets more AB because he stays healthy longer, even though it's because he DHs far more than Manny. Regardless, his numbers and other issues I suppose you can factor in such as the "clutch" aspect of Ortiz, and the lack of attitude problems... though those are completely speculative and unmeasurable elements, they still have some value.
Personally, I'd rather see them without the rising star and not the setting sun, though the damage of losing either or would probably be about equal.