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Postby Philliebuster » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:05 pm

cordscords wrote:Joking?

Is it not true that he has had 1 full year of significant improvement?

I'm not knocking on Myers, but what I stated was a fact.


When a player has minor league #'s like Myers who was touted as a great prospect...1 full year of significant improvement (2005) followed up by 2 months the next season (2006) of similar or better performance for a pitcher that is 26 years old is good enough for me. How much do you need to see?
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Postby ravenmad22 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:24 pm

Look at Ben Sheets' numbers his first few seasons and then check the numbers after he turned 25. Looks similar to Myers but Myers has not had the injury problems (knock on wood).

Myers is taking the next step right before your eyes. The talent has always been there, now he's got his head on straight and is learning control. Watch out!
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Postby cordscords » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:04 pm

twistedude wrote:
cordscords wrote:Joking?

Is it not true that he has had 1 full year of significant improvement?

I'm not knocking on Myers, but what I stated was a fact.


Except that in your comparison you left out the stats from 05, which is the most significant data point when projecting Meyers' performance this season.


I didnt leave that out. I said that was his 1 year of significant improvement, which is (guess what) TRUE!

I'm not taking '06 into account yet, because it's not final.

If he does post better #'s this year than last, would it not be his second year of STATISTICAL improvement?

What are you people talking about?
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Postby Philliebuster » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:13 pm

cordscords wrote:
I'm not taking '06 into account yet, because it's not final.



This type of thinking will make you miss out on alot of fantasy talent. Does this season not exist to you?
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Postby cordscords » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:13 pm

Philliebuster wrote:
cordscords wrote:Joking?

Is it not true that he has had 1 full year of significant improvement?

I'm not knocking on Myers, but what I stated was a fact.


When a player has minor league #'s like Myers who was touted as a great prospect...1 full year of significant improvement (2005) followed up by 2 months the next season (2006) of similar or better performance for a pitcher that is 26 years old is good enough for me. How much do you need to see?


I see a guy who so far in '06 has lowered his K/9, raised his BAA, and increased in BB/9 from last year.
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Postby Philliebuster » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:21 pm

cordscords wrote:I see a guy who so far in '06 has lowered his K/9, raised his BAA, and increased in BB/9 from last year.


:-o

When you look at Cindy Crawford, I bet all you see is the mole.
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Postby cordscords » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:19 pm

Philliebuster wrote:
cordscords wrote:I see a guy who so far in '06 has lowered his K/9, raised his BAA, and increased in BB/9 from last year.


:-o

When you look at Cindy Crawford, I bet all you see is the mole.


Pitches per PA:

'02- 3.49
'03- 3.56
'04- 3.63
'05- 3.84
'06- 4.29

I'm looking at the whole package. The bottom line is he has had 1, count it, 1 year of statistical improvement.

This year he has only lowered his ERA, and HR/9. He has gotten worse in everything else.

I don't mean to sound rude, but what in the world are you smoking?
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Postby Yoda » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:26 pm

cordscords wrote:
Philliebuster wrote:
cordscords wrote:I see a guy who so far in '06 has lowered his K/9, raised his BAA, and increased in BB/9 from last year.


:-o

When you look at Cindy Crawford, I bet all you see is the mole.


Pitches per PA:

'02- 3.49
'03- 3.56
'04- 3.63
'05- 3.84
'06- 4.29

I'm looking at the whole package. The bottom line is he has had 1, count it, 1 year of statistical improvement.

This year he has only lowered his ERA, and HR/9. He has gotten worse in everything else.

I don't mean to sound rude, but what in the world are you smoking?


But that 1 year of improvement is so significant that it's not even worth looking at his previous numbers in this thread. He is a completely different pitcher right now than he was pre 05.

That being said, how many 25 year old pitchers can you find that are producing at his level? I'd like to know.
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Postby cordscords » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:08 pm

Yoda wrote:
cordscords wrote:
Philliebuster wrote:
cordscords wrote:I see a guy who so far in '06 has lowered his K/9, raised his BAA, and increased in BB/9 from last year.


:-o

When you look at Cindy Crawford, I bet all you see is the mole.


Pitches per PA:

'02- 3.49
'03- 3.56
'04- 3.63
'05- 3.84
'06- 4.29

I'm looking at the whole package. The bottom line is he has had 1, count it, 1 year of statistical improvement.

This year he has only lowered his ERA, and HR/9. He has gotten worse in everything else.

I don't mean to sound rude, but what in the world are you smoking?


But that 1 year of improvement is so significant that it's not even worth looking at his previous numbers in this thread. He is a completely different pitcher right now than he was pre 05.

That being said, how many 25 year old pitchers can you find that are producing at his level? I'd like to know.


Adrian Beltre sucked big time for several years, but had a monster 2004. We should just throw out all of his other years because they meant nothing right?

Yoda- You are one of my favorites here at the Cafe, but come on now...
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Postby Yoda » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:14 pm

cordscords wrote:
Yoda wrote:
cordscords wrote:
Philliebuster wrote:
cordscords wrote:I see a guy who so far in '06 has lowered his K/9, raised his BAA, and increased in BB/9 from last year.


:-o

When you look at Cindy Crawford, I bet all you see is the mole.


Pitches per PA:

'02- 3.49
'03- 3.56
'04- 3.63
'05- 3.84
'06- 4.29

I'm looking at the whole package. The bottom line is he has had 1, count it, 1 year of statistical improvement.

This year he has only lowered his ERA, and HR/9. He has gotten worse in everything else.

I don't mean to sound rude, but what in the world are you smoking?


But that 1 year of improvement is so significant that it's not even worth looking at his previous numbers in this thread. He is a completely different pitcher right now than he was pre 05.

That being said, how many 25 year old pitchers can you find that are producing at his level? I'd like to know.


Adrian Beltre sucked big time for several years, but had a monster 2004. We should just throw out all of his other years because they meant nothing right?

Yoda- You are one of my favorites here at the Cafe, but come on now...


Seriously now, Myers has proven so far this year that 05 was no fluke. A little bit different than Mr. Tru.
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