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Postby NikkiSixx » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:18 pm

Jester wrote:Helton is Helton
Teix is Teix
Felix is Felix

These guys are just good - don't dought them.



Im no English teacher, but I believe the word you were going for was "doubt"... correct?
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Postby Smee » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:29 pm

GSes wrote:its still early, be patient with helton, he will turn it on as the weather continues to warm up in colorado ;-D


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Postby jchockey » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:30 pm

number9 wrote:Was Coors not as much of a hitters park in the first 1/3 of last season too? (Not sure how much weather affects it..)


Didn't the league "humidize" the balls or something so they don't fly out of the ballpark as often?
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Postby TheYanks04 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:38 pm

jchockey wrote:
number9 wrote:Was Coors not as much of a hitters park in the first 1/3 of last season too? (Not sure how much weather affects it..)


Didn't the league "humidize" the balls or something so they don't fly out of the ballpark as often?



They use a humidor to basically put water into them and make the balls heavier. It does not do squat imo. Very marginal.

Homers are down because the Rox pitching is better and their offense is worse (no Walker/Helton de-roided/Preston Wilson). Outside of Holliday with good power and maybe Hawpe and Atkins with decent power, there is not a lot to be scared of from the Barmes, Torrealbas, etc. in that lineup.


Helton probably will pick it up int he second half, but he is an enormous bust as a top 4 round draft pick and all the warning signs were there from last season.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:23 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
jchockey wrote:
number9 wrote:Was Coors not as much of a hitters park in the first 1/3 of last season too? (Not sure how much weather affects it..)


Didn't the league "humidize" the balls or something so they don't fly out of the ballpark as often?



They use a humidor to basically put water into them and make the balls heavier. It does not do squat imo. Very marginal.

Homers are down because the Rox pitching is better and their offense is worse (no Walker/Helton de-roided/Preston Wilson). Outside of Holliday with good power and maybe Hawpe and Atkins with decent power, there is not a lot to be scared of from the Barmes, Torrealbas, etc. in that lineup.


Helton probably will pick it up int he second half, but he is an enormous bust as a top 4 round draft pick and all the warning signs were there from last season.


You really think he was on steroids?
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:46 am

NikkiSixx wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
jchockey wrote:
number9 wrote:Was Coors not as much of a hitters park in the first 1/3 of last season too? (Not sure how much weather affects it..)


Didn't the league "humidize" the balls or something so they don't fly out of the ballpark as often?



They use a humidor to basically put water into them and make the balls heavier. It does not do squat imo. Very marginal.

Homers are down because the Rox pitching is better and their offense is worse (no Walker/Helton de-roided/Preston Wilson). Outside of Holliday with good power and maybe Hawpe and Atkins with decent power, there is not a lot to be scared of from the Barmes, Torrealbas, etc. in that lineup.


Helton probably will pick it up int he second half, but he is an enormous bust as a top 4 round draft pick and all the warning signs were there from last season.


You really think he was on steroids?



Would I bet the house on it...no. But there were rumors aired by others before which Helton denied. And coincidentally, the power has collapsed the past 2 years. He is not that old either as he is 32 years old. His power started to go at age 31, which to say is odd is an understatement. Maybe he is suffering from back and other issues and it is jut a bad coincidence for him to pick this time in baseball history for it to manifest itself. But as I say, if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.


There are few players you would bet the home on that when the truth be known you are sure they are or were on roids. Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire, Palmeiro, Santiago, Lawton. Giambi, Sheff and a few others. We will likey never know the full extent of it of who is actually guilty. But as they say, that is the MLBPA's decision to keep this all a secret and put everyone under suspicion like this. When you/the MLBPA dig a hole like that, they should not cry when people make you swim in it.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:55 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
jchockey wrote:
number9 wrote:Was Coors not as much of a hitters park in the first 1/3 of last season too? (Not sure how much weather affects it..)


Didn't the league "humidize" the balls or something so they don't fly out of the ballpark as often?



They use a humidor to basically put water into them and make the balls heavier. It does not do squat imo. Very marginal.

Homers are down because the Rox pitching is better and their offense is worse (no Walker/Helton de-roided/Preston Wilson). Outside of Holliday with good power and maybe Hawpe and Atkins with decent power, there is not a lot to be scared of from the Barmes, Torrealbas, etc. in that lineup.


Helton probably will pick it up int he second half, but he is an enormous bust as a top 4 round draft pick and all the warning signs were there from last season.


You really think he was on steroids?



Would I bet the house on it...no. But there were rumors aired by others before which Helton denied. And coincidentally, the power has collapsed the past 2 years. He is not that old either as he is 32 years old. His power started to go at age 31, which to say is odd is an understatement. Maybe he is suffering from back and other issues and it is jut a bad coincidence for him to pick this time in baseball history for it to manifest itself. But as I say, if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.


There are few players you would bet the home on that when the truth be known you are sure they are or were on roids. Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire, Palmeiro, Santiago, Lawton. Giambi, Sheff and a few others. We will likey never know the full extent of it of who is actually guilty. But as they say, that is the MLBPA's decision to keep this all a secret and put everyone under suspicion like this. When you/the MLBPA dig a hole like that, they should not cry when people make you swim in it.


Well, he could have taken steroids, but I wouldnt necessarily say it with confidence. Also from 1998 to 2005 his HR totals looked like this: 25, 35, 42, 49, 30, 33, 32, and 20. So maybe he took steroids for his two 40+ HR years, but I still wouldnt say it with confidence. Also, each and every one of those seasons he had ridiculously high batting averages. So, needless to say, the batting average (and the walks) should be there with or without the steroids.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:59 am

NikkiSixx wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
jchockey wrote:
number9 wrote:Was Coors not as much of a hitters park in the first 1/3 of last season too? (Not sure how much weather affects it..)


Didn't the league "humidize" the balls or something so they don't fly out of the ballpark as often?



They use a humidor to basically put water into them and make the balls heavier. It does not do squat imo. Very marginal.

Homers are down because the Rox pitching is better and their offense is worse (no Walker/Helton de-roided/Preston Wilson). Outside of Holliday with good power and maybe Hawpe and Atkins with decent power, there is not a lot to be scared of from the Barmes, Torrealbas, etc. in that lineup.


Helton probably will pick it up int he second half, but he is an enormous bust as a top 4 round draft pick and all the warning signs were there from last season.


You really think he was on steroids?



Would I bet the house on it...no. But there were rumors aired by others before which Helton denied. And coincidentally, the power has collapsed the past 2 years. He is not that old either as he is 32 years old. His power started to go at age 31, which to say is odd is an understatement. Maybe he is suffering from back and other issues and it is jut a bad coincidence for him to pick this time in baseball history for it to manifest itself. But as I say, if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.


There are few players you would bet the home on that when the truth be known you are sure they are or were on roids. Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire, Palmeiro, Santiago, Lawton. Giambi, Sheff and a few others. We will likey never know the full extent of it of who is actually guilty. But as they say, that is the MLBPA's decision to keep this all a secret and put everyone under suspicion like this. When you/the MLBPA dig a hole like that, they should not cry when people make you swim in it.


Well, he could have taken steroids, but I wouldnt necessarily say it with confidence. Also from 1998 to 2005 his HR totals looked like this: 25, 35, 42, 49, 30, 33, 32, and 20. So maybe he took steroids for his two 40+ HR years, but I still wouldnt say it with confidence. Also, each and every one of those seasons he had ridiculously high batting averages. With or without steroids the batting average should still be there though.



The avg was there last season. And the effect on avg is somewhat difficult to estimate. First of all, more homers as opposed to fly balls to the warning track obviously help the avg. And he could be altering his swing and/or pressing to try to hit the ball harder to make up for the lack of strength. Or he could simply be just stinking up the place. The lackof power is over the past 2 seasons is the sign imo. Prove the roid believers wrong Todd...go out their and hit 35+ Homers.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:05 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:
jchockey wrote:
number9 wrote:Was Coors not as much of a hitters park in the first 1/3 of last season too? (Not sure how much weather affects it..)


Didn't the league "humidize" the balls or something so they don't fly out of the ballpark as often?



They use a humidor to basically put water into them and make the balls heavier. It does not do squat imo. Very marginal.

Homers are down because the Rox pitching is better and their offense is worse (no Walker/Helton de-roided/Preston Wilson). Outside of Holliday with good power and maybe Hawpe and Atkins with decent power, there is not a lot to be scared of from the Barmes, Torrealbas, etc. in that lineup.


Helton probably will pick it up int he second half, but he is an enormous bust as a top 4 round draft pick and all the warning signs were there from last season.


You really think he was on steroids?



Would I bet the house on it...no. But there were rumors aired by others before which Helton denied. And coincidentally, the power has collapsed the past 2 years. He is not that old either as he is 32 years old. His power started to go at age 31, which to say is odd is an understatement. Maybe he is suffering from back and other issues and it is jut a bad coincidence for him to pick this time in baseball history for it to manifest itself. But as I say, if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.


There are few players you would bet the home on that when the truth be known you are sure they are or were on roids. Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire, Palmeiro, Santiago, Lawton. Giambi, Sheff and a few others. We will likey never know the full extent of it of who is actually guilty. But as they say, that is the MLBPA's decision to keep this all a secret and put everyone under suspicion like this. When you/the MLBPA dig a hole like that, they should not cry when people make you swim in it.


Well, he could have taken steroids, but I wouldnt necessarily say it with confidence. Also from 1998 to 2005 his HR totals looked like this: 25, 35, 42, 49, 30, 33, 32, and 20. So maybe he took steroids for his two 40+ HR years, but I still wouldnt say it with confidence. Also, each and every one of those seasons he had ridiculously high batting averages. With or without steroids the batting average should still be there though.



The avg was there last season. And the effect on avg is somewhat difficult to estimate. First of all, more homers as opposed to fly balls to the warning track obviously help the avg. And he could be altering his swing and/or pressing to try to hit the ball harder to make up for the lack of strength. Or he could simply be just stinking up the place. The lackof power is over the past 2 seasons is the sign imo. Prove the roid believers wrong Todd...go out their and hit 35+ Homers.

I hope he does, but he would need one hell of a 2nd half.


I have watched him a few times this season. I watched him for an entire game in one of Brad Penny's starts againt the Rockies. Helton was line driving foul ball after foul ball, but most of his swings would bring him to one knee and pile drive him into the ground. So he must have been taking some pretty big hacks, so maybe you are right on swinging harder to make up for lack of strength (but he did just come off the DL after losing 15 pounds to a stomach parasite or something like that when this happened).
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:54 pm

Rox put 16 on the board today...Helton 0 for 3.
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