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Postby HOOTIE » Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:13 pm

Madison wrote:Please let Giles go to San Diego. I could really use his numbers in a better lineup. :-D


As a Giles owner i would hate that. SD is a terrible hitters park.
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Postby jebatzel » Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:20 pm

where did you guys hear about Giles going to SD?

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Postby jdh » Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:23 pm

I don't think it would be a huge difference. Jack Murphy and PNC both supress power to about the same degree, and Jack Murphy does supress average a bit more than PNC. However, any park effect will be negated by the difference in the lineup he would be going to. Right now, with Lofton and Ramirez gone, and Kendall batting leadoff, Giles has no protection aside from stiffs like Randall "Sausage" Simon and Matt Stairs. If he went into the Padres lineup, he'd be surrounded by Klesko, Nevin, Kendall, Loretta, and Kotsay, and that would surely help his value.
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Postby HOOTIE » Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:47 pm

jdh wrote:I don't think it would be a huge difference. Jack Murphy and PNC both supress power to about the same degree, and Jack Murphy does supress average a bit more than PNC. However, any park effect will be negated by the difference in the lineup he would be going to. Right now, with Lofton and Ramirez gone, and Kendall batting leadoff, Giles has no protection aside from stiffs like Randall "Sausage" Simon and Matt Stairs. If he went into the Padres lineup, he'd be surrounded by Klesko, Nevin, Kendall, Loretta, and Kotsay, and that would surely help his value.


I wont debate lineup protection, as i think it has very little effect according to James studies. That potent SD lineup has scored 452 runs to Pirates 498 runs.

Heres the park indexes for PNC 01-02 and Qualcomm 00-02.
100 is neutral.

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PNC 110
QUAL 83

average

PNC 103
QUAL 93

hrs

PNC 89
QUAL 85

The park indexes arent really close. In the last 3 years, Klesko has 35 home hrs to 50 road. Last year Giles hit 323 at home, 272 on road.
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Postby Longshot » Tue Aug 05, 2003 12:31 am

Hey, the Q will be a distant memory after this season, as will this years fantasy ball, so just look forard to enjoying Petco and to drafting Giles next year, both of which I plan on doing : )
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:06 am

As the last remaining Pittsburgh Pirates fan in the universe, I'll be disappointed when Giles and Kendall are traded. When they go, there will be no one remotely interesting on that team to watch. As it is, the only Pirate I've had on any fantasy team the last few years has been Giles, including this year.

I'm not excited about him going to San Diego because of the tougher hitting park and the fact that he'll be facing 3 of the top 6 pitching staffs in baseball as the season winds down (LA--3.10 ERA, Arizona--3.68 ERA, and San Francisco--3.82 ERA).

The lineup will be better than the carcass of a lineup left in Pittsburgh but I don't see Giles moving to San Diego as a plus.
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Postby wrveres » Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:15 am

I was wondering where all the Pirates fans were ..

I mean basically Pitt management is not willing to pay Kendall 10 million to play in PNC. But they will pay him 5 million to play in San Diego?

where is the outcry?


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Postby DieHardCubbie » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:15 am

no offense wrveres...

but I really hope they don't get this deal done til friday..... ;-)
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:07 am

wrveres wrote:I mean basically Pitt management is not willing to pay Kendall 10 million to play in PNC. But they will pay him 5 million to play in San Diego?


They were dumb enough to give a catcher with a season highs of 14 HR and 75 RBI that kind of money in the first place.
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Postby MashinSpuds » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:12 am

My prediction: If Giles and Kendall go to the Padres then the GM is getting a call from Tony Gwynn. "Dammit, I retire and now you guys want to compete? I want in!" If Rickey can do it, so can Tony.
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