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Postby The G-Man » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:30 am

namor720 wrote: Zumaya needs to further develop this 3rd pitch and he needs to build his arm strength up, he has a drop off in his stuff around the 6th-7th inning in his minor league starts and isnt smart or experienced enough to limit his pitch count by being more efficient rather than blowing people away. But you all seem to know this already. In regards to his future, you can speculate, but you dont know. He clearly would thrive in any role. As for now, its a wait and see.


If Zumaya has all these corrections to make, why would he be considered as a starter in the next month?
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:45 am

namor720 wrote:What I am arguing is that stating that he has a VERY SLIM CHANCE of starting is flat out wrong. He has a good chance to be put in the rotation based upon the circumstances I listed above which you conveniently ignored. Regardless of what Zumaya wants, Leyland will use him where he needs him if you know Leyland. Zumaya has 20 starts, 23 starts and 26 starts his last 3 years and never has had a save in his career, he was put in the pen because of necessity and his arm, very much like Heilman. If Ledezma and Colon fails, if Tata is even MLB ready (which he is not) and fails, which there is a very very good shot of happening, there will be talk of putting him into the rotation. Zumaya needs to further develop this 3rd pitch and he needs to build his arm strength up, he has a drop off in his stuff around the 6th-7th inning in his minor league starts and isnt smart or experienced enough to limit his pitch count by being more efficient rather than blowing people away. But you all seem to know this already. In regards to his future, you can speculate, but you dont know. He clearly would thrive in any role. As for now, its a wait and see.
Leyland says he wants Zumaya in the pen. Zumaya says he wants to stay in the pen. This is not speculation, these comments have been reported. To argue he will be put in the rotation is pure speculation and goes against everything reported on the issue.
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Postby namor720 » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:56 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:
namor720 wrote:What I am arguing is that stating that he has a VERY SLIM CHANCE of starting is flat out wrong. He has a good chance to be put in the rotation based upon the circumstances I listed above which you conveniently ignored. Regardless of what Zumaya wants, Leyland will use him where he needs him if you know Leyland. Zumaya has 20 starts, 23 starts and 26 starts his last 3 years and never has had a save in his career, he was put in the pen because of necessity and his arm, very much like Heilman. If Ledezma and Colon fails, if Tata is even MLB ready (which he is not) and fails, which there is a very very good shot of happening, there will be talk of putting him into the rotation. Zumaya needs to further develop this 3rd pitch and he needs to build his arm strength up, he has a drop off in his stuff around the 6th-7th inning in his minor league starts and isnt smart or experienced enough to limit his pitch count by being more efficient rather than blowing people away. But you all seem to know this already. In regards to his future, you can speculate, but you dont know. He clearly would thrive in any role. As for now, its a wait and see.
Leyland says he wants Zumaya in the pen. Zumaya says he wants to stay in the pen. This is not speculation, these comments have been reported. To argue he will be put in the rotation is pure speculation and goes against everything reported on the issue.


It is all speculation, based on factual information of course. Zumaya could be a huge fantasy player if he lands a rotation spot and I appreciate the debate and any further info. Do you have a link where Leyland has stated this ? I have zero confidence in the starters they are going to throw out there Minor, Colon, Ledezma...zumaya could get the nod a month from now out of necessity.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:26 am

namor720 wrote:It is all speculation, based on factual information of course. Zumaya could be a huge fantasy player if he lands a rotation spot and I appreciate the debate and any further info. Do you have a link where Leyland has stated this ? I have zero confidence in the starters they are going to throw out there Minor, Colon, Ledezma...zumaya could get the nod a month from now out of necessity.
Here is the link
Faith or not that is a lot of starters to fail before they would have to use Zumaya out of necessity. I have Zumaya in my minors and would love to see him get a crack at the rotation but he looks set to stay in the bullpen.
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Postby AdvRider » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:50 pm

Zumaya is nearing "Rock-Star" status here in Detroit and hasn't even pitched a full season. The buzz at Comerica Park when he enters a game is like nothing I've ever seen before and I've been going to Tigers game for a very long time.


Long enough to have seen Mark The Bird Fidrych?
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Postby Dannomyte » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:38 pm

AdvRider wrote:
Zumaya is nearing "Rock-Star" status here in Detroit and hasn't even pitched a full season. The buzz at Comerica Park when he enters a game is like nothing I've ever seen before and I've been going to Tigers game for a very long time.


Long enough to have seen Mark The Bird Fidrych?


Indeed, I was actually going to mention him in my post but didn't want to date myself bringing up a pitcher from 30 years ago!! I started going to Tigers games in 74 or 75 which was right around Fidrych's rookie season. I was pretty young at the time but I do remember the buzz when Fidrych pitched. Crazy thing is that The Bird is still loved here in Detroit and he only pitched 1 full season and 3 or 4 injury plagued seasons here. The Fidrych and Zumaya buzzes are 2 totally different beasts. With Fidrych you never knew what bizarre thing he was going to do next. With Zumaya he comes in with a ton of energy. He isn't intimidated by anyone and just starts throwing 101 MPH heat and absolutely filthy off speed stuff. You also have to love the emotion this guy shows game in and game out. It was awesome to see him end the inning by striking out Posada the other night and then to see Zumaya pump his fist and stare down Posada as he left the box. Good stuff indeed and a great time to be a Tigers fan with Verlander and Zumaya as very promising young arms.
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Postby AdvRider » Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:11 pm

Indeed, I was actually going to mention him in my post but didn't want to date myself bringing up a pitcher from 30 years ago!!


:-b :-b :-b Well, I'll claim I read about the legend of Mark The Bird Fidrych on the Internet ... }:-)

Thanks for the writeup. Very interesting. I've got the MLB TV package and am enjoying that Tigers baseball. Plus my favorite bartender is from Detroit so this season's success makes for plenty of banter. ;-D
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Postby Dan Lambskin » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:16 pm

namor720 wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:
MotorCityKitties wrote:
namor720 wrote:A VERY SLIM chance is a real exaggeration and in my opinion completely wrong. He has a very GOOD chance of being put into the rotation. he made 26 starts last year and started in the spring. He was very close to making the rotation in the spring and they put him in the pen because their rotation was set. Roman Colon is a disaster, they have Jordan Tata and Ledzema in the minors and just called up. Ledezma isnt the answer, neither is Colon. Tata has like 4 starts in AAA so far. There is a very good chance they stretch out Zumaya, who could pitch 4 innings right now if he had to and is young enough to adapt quickly, not to mention he has been a starter his minor league career. He could be ready to hit the rotation in 2 weeks. I think Ledezma gets the next 2 chances, he blows it you see Zumaya. There is more than a very slim chance of that happening.


You are the one who is completely wrong. The Tigers see Zumaya as a bullpen guy. They feel he has the make-up to be a great closer in the future and he has been outstanding in some tight late-inning situations this season.

It has been recently reported that Zach Miner will start for the tigers on sunday.

http://beck.mlblogs.com/beck/2006/06...on_change.html

Plus as Dannomyte wrote earlier, Zumaya himself said he wants to stay in the bullpen.


What I am arguing is that stating that he has a VERY SLIM CHANCE of starting is flat out wrong. He has a good chance to be put in the rotation based upon the circumstances I listed above which you conveniently ignored. Regardless of what Zumaya wants, Leyland will use him where he needs him if you know Leyland. Zumaya has 20 starts, 23 starts and 26 starts his last 3 years and never has had a save in his career, he was put in the pen because of necessity and his arm, very much like Heilman. If Ledezma and Colon fails, if Tata is even MLB ready (which he is not) and fails, which there is a very very good shot of happening, there will be talk of putting him into the rotation. Zumaya needs to further develop this 3rd pitch and he needs to build his arm strength up, he has a drop off in his stuff around the 6th-7th inning in his minor league starts and isnt smart or experienced enough to limit his pitch count by being more efficient rather than blowing people away. But you all seem to know this already. In regards to his future, you can speculate, but you dont know. He clearly would thrive in any role. As for now, its a wait and see.


well, you seem kind of new here, or at least dont post alot, but there are quite a few huge Tigers fans here that follow the team very closely, so believe us when we say the chance of Zumaya starting this year is extremely low...i'd say 5%
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