jnormy wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees try to pull to trigger on some deal for an outfielder, even if it meant mortgaging some of their future. With the likes of Unit, Moose, Mariano, Bernie, Posada, etc. etc. this is a team built to win today, not 5 years down the road.
Bah. They're always built, "to win today." That's what got them into this mess of having no prospects to trade in the first place.
Utter nonsense. List out the names of those great Yankee prospects that got dealt in the last 10 years. You come up with the great Chris Singleton, Eric Milton, Christian Guzman, Ted Lilly, Brad Halsey, Deangelo Jimenez, etc. MikeLowell is the only "quality" player they have traded away. The simple fact is the Yanks have not developed squat in the farm system for years. Only in the past couple of years have they stopped the trend of the Parrish-like first round picks.
Look: you're trying to evaluate the trade 10 years later. All my point was is that the Yankees consistently raid their own cupboards for guys who may turn out to be good for someone who was good 2 years ago.
Also, there was a time where the Milton/Guzman trade looked really good for the Minnesota side. Guzman made the All-Star team and Milton was a more than servicable starter for the Twins when they won their pennants, going 41-26 from 2000 - 2002.
If your argument is that the Yankees can't draft for crap, whatever. But they don't (or at least until last year, they didn't) have the homegrown guys that they did in the '90's to compliment the veterans that they could pick up in free agency. And you can go on all you like about how the players the Yankees traded away became garbage but you can't argue that for the past 10 years every trade the Yankees make involve them shipping off some hot potential for someone more established. And that's all I was saying.
Snakes Gould wrote:i love how every thread always gets hi-jacked by yankee fans telling whats good and bad about their team and the red sox...every thread
Heh. I also love how the first post Blankman did in the Leftovers section was the day that the Yankees tied for first in the division. Yankees fans: always ready to talk big when they can lord things over everybody, first to crawl into their corner when things aren't going so hot.
Snakes Gould wrote:i love how every thread always gets hi-jacked by yankee fans telling whats good and bad about their team and the red sox...every thread
Heh. I also love how the first post Blankman did in the Leftovers section was the day that the Yankees tied for first in the division. Yankees fans: always ready to talk big when they can lord things over everybody, first to crawl into their corner when things aren't going so hot.
Not that I'm defending the Yankees (believe me, as a Mets fan with a Bronx-based family, I hate them as much as anyone), but...
With this response, aren't you contributing to the very hijacking of this thread that Snakes was complaining about in the first place? (of course, now so am I! )
And while I'm in hijacking mode, I have to say in defense (sort of) of Yankee fans, they don't crawl into a corner when things aren't going so hot... that's when they start reminiscing about the history of their "storied franchise" and reminding everyone else about it.
OK, I'm done. And now, to cleanse myself:
The Burrell/Dontrelle/prospects story is just a media-based rumor that, IMO, won't amount to any more than that.
1. Florida may be trying to dump players, but they're not stupid. Neither the Phillies or Yankees have enough prospects to make this trade look good for Florida. Can anybody on this board honestly say they would trade Dontrelle Willis for any prospects in the Phillies/Yankees organization?
2. If the Yankees could get Willis from Florida for Hughes & Duncan so easily, why wouldn't they just keep him for themselves? As long as the Yankees still have ARod/Shef/Giambi hitting the bulk of the HRs, Melky's .275 avg will be fine to get enough runs in. Don't forget Burrell's numbers are inflated by where he plays his home games. Plus he strikes out too much and couldn't field if his life depended on it. And he has a bad foot which makes him slower than Giambi.
Sorry to rant, I just laugh everytime I hear this rumor. You should hear Philly talk radio talk about this. The fans there think it could happen. Then, when Gillick doesn't pull it off, they'll blame him.
1. Florida may be trying to dump players, but they're not stupid. Neither the Phillies or Yankees have enough prospects to make this trade look good for Florida. Can anybody on this board honestly say they would trade Dontrelle Willis for any prospects in the Phillies/Yankees organization?
Agreed. Dontrelle is playing on a one-year $4MM contract. What better value do people think the Marlins are going to receive? This isn't a Chan Ho Park situation where the salary is huge.
And Willis is bound by arbitration for the next two years. It's also not the situation that if the Marlins don't deal him, they'll just have to overpay or lose him at the end of this season. I'll grant that there are some players out there who are ideal candidates for a salary dump, but Willis just isn't one of them.
Snakes Gould wrote:im sure the red sox mention is sure to occur soon....
well this thread is about, and i quote, "Rumored 3-way with NYY/PHI/FLA" not "how good have the yankees drafted in the past 8 years"
so why dont you guys get back on topic, or make an entirely new thread called "New York Yankee Pipe Riders "
The trade talk is pretty bogus and talking about the Marlins or Phillies is fairly dull.
Interesting. The story basically stated the same conclusion the Cafe arrived at: if the Yankees were involved, they would want Dontrelle, not Burrell. And that the Phils wouldn't want to trade away their one power righty.
As for the proposed three-way deal, a Yankees insider said the team also covets Willis and won't help another club land the two-time All-Star. Besides, the Yanks apparently have no interest in Burrell, and the Phillies aren't keen on trading their one right-handed-hitting power threat.
Matthias wrote:Yankees fans: always ready to talk big when they can lord things over everybody, first to crawl into their corner when things aren't going so hot.
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