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Postby TheRawDAWG » Wed May 31, 2006 8:28 pm

WessWackos wrote:
The Loveable Losers wrote:
TheRawDAWG wrote:Willis will be a Blue Jay by the trade deadline. You watch.


The Blue Jays could certainly use another SP arm.


and I could USE Willis in a Blue Jays uni.........or Yanks...or Philly...or ANYONE OTHER THAN FLORIDA uniform



Lets just stick with Jays ok?

Yeah the jays really need some starting pitching and they have some depth in the minors that may make the deal possible. I really believe JP will go for it when the time comes. Also, healthy we are first in the East this year.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed May 31, 2006 8:41 pm

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jnormy wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees try to pull to trigger on some deal for an outfielder, even if it meant mortgaging some of their future. With the likes of Unit, Moose, Mariano, Bernie, Posada, etc. etc. this is a team built to win today, not 5 years down the road.


Bah. They're always built, "to win today." That's what got them into this mess of having no prospects to trade in the first place.


Utter nonsense. List out the names of those great Yankee prospects that got dealt in the last 10 years. You come up with the great Chris Singleton, Eric Milton, Christian Guzman, Ted Lilly, Brad Halsey, Deangelo Jimenez, etc. MikeLowell is the only "quality" player they have traded away. The simple fact is the Yanks have not developed squat in the farm system for years. Only in the past couple of years have they stopped the trend of the Parrish-like first round picks.


And as to this deal...it is the papers just spinning. Unless the Marlins are on a complete salary dump and want to trade Willis for a bag of baseballs and some mediocre prospects, I do not see the Yanks getting involved in any of this. Burrell is not worth trading a top prospect.
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Postby Tavish » Wed May 31, 2006 8:59 pm

The Yanks have had a few guys that have been moved in deals over the years. Nick Johnson, Wily Pena, Soriano (threw him in there just for you Yanks), and Contreras. But as a tradeoff, they also have several inhouse developed guys on the roster. In terms of missing in the draft the Yankees haven't done all that bad compared to many teams.

But I agree the trade is basically talk radio fodder.
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Postby hybrid » Wed May 31, 2006 9:00 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:ummmm awesome for the phils

burrell is overpaid and has SO many flaws in his swing. id trade him for eric duncan straight up easily if i was patt gillick


Haha, sorry that is quite laughable. Eric Duncan has been ruined by the Yanks and their constant pushing him to the next level before he is ready. He hasn't shown anything since Low A of being a top prospect, yet you want him for a 30-100 hitter.
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Postby Y`s Guy » Wed May 31, 2006 9:01 pm

On May 21st I attended an Eastern League game in New Britain, CT. I wanted to see Phillip Hughes pitch. The night before it was reported that Sheffield was going to get in a rehab game there as New Britain is half way btw NYC and Boston, where the Yanks were opening a series with the Sox.

Brian Cashman was also in New Britain. I asked why New Britain instead of Boston and he simply said "Because Sheffield's here." I thought that odd since he sees the guy every day.

But then I thought that he also took the opp to see Hughes in person. That night Hughes did not look good at all.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed May 31, 2006 9:09 pm

Tavish wrote:The Yanks have had a few guys that have been moved in deals over the years. Nick Johnson, Wily Pena, Soriano (threw him in there just for you Yanks), and Contreras. But as a tradeoff, they also have several inhouse developed guys on the roster. In terms of missing in the draft the Yankees haven't done all that bad compared to many teams.

But I agree the trade is basically talk radio fodder.



Soriano and NJ were established players, not minor leagues. The former was traded for AROD. The latter for Javy Vazquez. Even I, a noted A-Choke basher, likes getting rid of a bad, glove, high priced 2b for Arod. As to Vazquez for NJ, Vazquez was a mistake, but NJ has never managed to stay healthy yet either. Neither is applicable to a subject of trading minor league prospects.

Contreras was a major leaguer too for it is worth. Hardly a prospect on the trading block.

Mo Pena has yet to be anything but a decent part time player. You want to add him to the list with the Singleton's of the league, fine. Hardly worth losing sleep over. It is not like they have traded away a Rivera or Jeter or Posada like player they developed while they were on the farm for some quick fix.
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Postby Tavish » Wed May 31, 2006 9:12 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:
Tavish wrote:The Yanks have had a few guys that have been moved in deals over the years. Nick Johnson, Wily Pena, Soriano (threw him in there just for you Yanks), and Contreras. But as a tradeoff, they also have several inhouse developed guys on the roster. In terms of missing in the draft the Yankees haven't done all that bad compared to many teams.

But I agree the trade is basically talk radio fodder.



Soriano and NJ were established players, not minor leagues. The former was traded for AROD. The latter for Javy Vazquez. Even I, a noted A-Choke basher, likes getting rid of a bad, glove, high priced 2b for Arod. As to Vazquez for NJ, Vazquez was a mistake, but NJ has never managed to stay healthy yet either. Neither is applicable to a sunhect of trading mnor league prospects.

Contreras was a major leaguer too for it is worth. Hardly a prospect on the trading block.

Mo Pena has yet to be anything but a decent part time player. You want to add him to the list with the Singleton's of the league, fine. Hardly worth losing sleep over. It isnot like they have traded a Rivera or Jeter or Posada like player they developed away before while they were on the farm for some quick fix.


I wouldn't argue much on any of those assessments, I guess it was my fault for being lazy and not quoting the relevant part of your post I was responding to. Here's the belated quote.

TheYanks04 wrote:The simple fact is the Yanks have not developed squat in the farm system for years. Only in the past couple of years have they stopped the trend of the Parrish-like first round picks.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed May 31, 2006 9:17 pm

CON-treras was an international free agent. So was Soriano.

NJ and MO Pena are the shining stars developed through the minor league system from 99 through 04...WOW. Some production. You would do better doing amateur drafting using a Magic-8 ball.
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Postby MikeFromNY » Wed May 31, 2006 9:55 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:NJ and MO Pena are the shining stars developed through the minor league system from 99 through 04...WOW.


Eric Milton: Selected by New York Yankees in 1st round (20th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft (Same Year as Nick Johnson)

Zack Day: Selected by New York Yankees in 5th round (149th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

Brandon Claussen: Selected by New York Yankees in 34th round (1026th overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

Melky Cabrera: Signed as undrafted free agent by New York Yankees in 2001

Robinson Cano: Signed as undrafted free agent by New York Yankees in 2001

Chien-Ming Wang: Signed as undrafted free agent by New York Yankees in 2000

Brad Halsey: Selected by New York Yankees in 19th round (578th overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft (June Regular Phase).....

Phil Hughes: Selected by New York Yankees in 1st round (23rd overall) of 2004 amateur entry draft (June Regular Phase)

They had also drafted a number of guys (such as Mark Prior and Aaron Hielman) who they were unable to get signed, for whatever reason.

I'm not saying that the Yankees did a great job drafting guys during that time period. As a Yankee fan, I'm glad we've got different people in charge of the draft than we did then. Just throwing some stuff out there.
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Postby brandnew » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:41 am

Eric Duncan is not good. At all. Why can't the NY media get this through their heads?
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