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Postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2003 2:27 am

this guy is completely overrated. enjoy him in fantasy leagues, because in real life, this guy is a pain in the butt.
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Postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2003 2:49 am

no shit man, this is ridiculous. he is not producing at all for me
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Postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:02 am

and he blew the game with an error, thus ruining my Rivera save opportunity
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Postby Quaker » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:30 am

Even in fantasy leagues, he's becoming more and more overrated every day. He had a great first month, including the one March game, hitting .371, 9 HRs, and 25 RBIs. Since then, he's hit .244, 15 HRs and 34 RBIs. The homer number is fine, the RBI number is decent (if he batted a whole season like that, it'd put him on pace for 71 RBIs. If he keeps that pace up for the rest of this season, he'll end up with 83- not what you want for a first round pick), and the average is simply horrible. He has had 21 stolen bases in the past three months, so that's good.

Here are other numbers from his past 4 months, see how far off the last three are from the first:

OBP: .436 .290 .302 .270
SLG: .630 .466 .415 .427

Dating back to last year, he's only batted above .290 ONCE in his last SEVEN full months of baseball.

Plus he's a crappy fielder, as he leads his team in errors.
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Postby wrveres » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:53 am

Here is a "Leadoff Hitter" who bats .290 and steals a ton. Ocassionalyly starts the game off with a Pop ala Ricky Henderson.
And you are upset becuase this leadoff hitter Doesn't get enough RBI"S and his SLG Pct is low? (I'm confused...) :-?
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Postby King Tim » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:10 am

I'd take him on my team.....real or fantasy......any day of the week. He is a stud in a slump. It happens
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Postby Quaker » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:25 am

Since you're confused, I'll clear it up. I'm not upset, because I don't own him. I'm pointing out how he isn't the fantasy "stud" many make him out to be. He's valuable, especially at 2b, I won't argue that.

First of all, he is not a .290 hitter, he's currently batting .278. If you read the post, you'd see that he's batting .244 over the last three months. And this is a guy who many picked in the first round, or traded their big studs for after his great first month?

And yes, the RBIs are a concern for many, even though he's a leadoff hitter. Why? Because he was such a high pick, and one of the reasons he was such a high pick is that people expected a lot of RBIs from a traditional small RBI position. He knocked in over 100 last year, and I'm sure people expected more of the same this year.

As for his steals, he's only stolen 3 times in the past month. I guess it's pretty hard to steal when you can't get on base.

I showed his slugging percentage to show how much he's declined. Last year he slugged .547. Over the past 3 months he's slugged roughly .430. That doesn't matter for fantasy all that much, unless you play in a Sabermetric league. In that case, Soriano is fantasy manure, not even a top 100 player.

The point is, Soriano is severely overrated. His stats for the year are good, but since his first month, he's probably hurt teams a lot more than they realize. I feel sorry for anyone who traded for him, and I applaud all those who got something good in return. Over the past 90 days, he's probably been the 8th to 10th best 2b,

Still confused?
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Postby Quaker » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:29 am

King, if slumping means not hitting well for 3/4 of the season so far... then yeah, he's in a slump.
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Postby wrveres » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:37 am

Quaker wrote:Since you're confused, I'll clear it up. I'm not upset, because I don't own. I do

And this is a guy who many picked in the first round, or traded their big studs for after his great first month? I Traded Kearns and Sosa for him and Billy Wagner

He knocked in over 100 last year, and I'm sure people expected more of the same this year. Yes I did .. damn it.

As for his steals, he's only stolen 3 times in the past month. I guess it's pretty hard to steal when you can't get on base. Very True.

That doesn't matter for fantasy all that much, unless you play in a Sabermetric league. In that case, Soriano is fantasy manure. LMAO lol rmalo True.

I feel sorry for anyone who traded for him, That would be Me .. and it hurts.
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You pegged me. Good solid work. But I still cant find another 2B that I would want on my team. Not Kent not Giles. I'll still say he is the top ranked 2B at a very shallow position. giving him extreme value. But you do make some very valid points .. :-)
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Postby Quaker » Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:42 am

What about Boone?
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