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Postby ravenmad22 » Sun May 28, 2006 5:58 am

This post is silly. Rollins is the leadoff hitter, Abreu the #3 hitter, period.

Any other way wastes Rollins' speed and Abreu's power.
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Postby fbc_fan » Sun May 28, 2006 7:36 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:
ravenmad22 wrote:This post is silly. Rollins is the leadoff hitter, Abreu the #3 hitter, period.

Any other way wastes Rollins' speed and Abreu's power.



thats very silly because speed is not the only thing that makes a good leadoff hitter....i.e joey gathright....come on guy, learn baseball


but i will give you this thread is silly because charlie manuel is an idiot, hence him being fired within the next 2 months (if not days) the new manager will no doubt hit abreu leadoff.


you're right, rollins is not a leadoff hitter in the purest sense of the word, and neither is pierre for that matter. but the majors are littered with leadoff hitters that are not meant to be leadoff hitters. i actually think that abreu would be better off batting second or third due to his slg%, but i wouldn't be upset if he hit leadoff. i just think his power would be somewhat wasted there.
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Postby acsguitar » Sun May 28, 2006 7:38 pm

They need to give howard some protection.

put him ahead of Abreu
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Postby fbc_fan » Sun May 28, 2006 7:41 pm

acsguitar wrote:They need to give howard some protection.

put him ahead of Abreu


i agree, but can they really afford to have those two left handed bats back to back in the lineup, along with utley somewhere around there?
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Postby acsguitar » Sun May 28, 2006 7:43 pm

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acsguitar wrote:They need to give howard some protection.

put him ahead of Abreu


i agree, but can they really afford to have those two left handed bats back to back in the lineup, along with utley somewhere around there?


I want them to afford whatever it takes to get howard more HR's

thats not too much to ask :-D
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Postby ravenmad22 » Sun May 28, 2006 11:12 pm

Rollins may not be a prototypical leadoff guy but he's the best the Phillies have. Abreu just does not fit in there. A 900+ OPS guy hitting leadoff? You are living in fantasy land. He is a run producer, not a table setter.

While Abreu might be a better leadoff hitter than Rollins, David Wright would probably be a better leadoff hitter than Reyes and you'll never see that happen, and for good reason. Those guys are more valuable when runners are on base.

Don't forget that Rollins is on a cold streak right now, but once he heats up (a guy with a 36 game hitting streak screams streaky hitter to me), he will be a dynamite table setter for the big bats of Utley, Abreu, Burrell and Howard.

Baseball isn't just as simple as putting the guy with the best OBP leadoff, 2nd best OBP 2nd and so on. There are other considerations like run production and power that you are overlooking.[/quote]
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