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Postby Havok1517 » Thu May 25, 2006 2:53 pm

This site gives agent info, how long they have played in the league, contract terms, options, etc. Might come in handy. Just click any team on the left hand side.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/0 ... ds_24.html
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Postby jondunc » Thu May 25, 2006 3:31 pm

All you fans of big market teams, here's how the other half maximizes their return against two randomly chosen comparison teams ;-)

Cleveland Indians 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Sabathia - $7M
DH: Hafner - $2.5M
Catcher: Martinez - $.8M
SS: Peralta - $.5M
Top OF: Sizemore - $.5M
2nd Pitcher: Lee - $.4M
Total: $11.7M

New York Yankees 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Johnson - $16M
DH: Giambi - $18M
Catcher: Posada - $9M
SS: Jeter - $19M
Top OF: Sheffield - $13M
2nd Pitcher: Mussina - $17M
Total: $92M

Boston Red Sox 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Schilling - $13M
DH: Ortiz - $6.5M
Catcher: Varitek - $9M
SS: Gonzalez - $3M
Top OF: Ramirez - $19M
2nd Pitcher: Beckett - $4.3M
Total: $54.8M
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Postby broomulack » Thu May 25, 2006 7:28 pm

jondunc wrote:All you fans of big market teams, here's how the other half maximizes their return against two randomly chosen comparison teams ;-)

Cleveland Indians 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Sabathia - $7M
DH: Hafner - $2.5M
Catcher: Martinez - $.8M
SS: Peralta - $.5M
Top OF: Sizemore - $.5M
2nd Pitcher: Lee - $.4M
Total: $11.7M

New York Yankees 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Johnson - $16M
DH: Giambi - $18M
Catcher: Posada - $9M
SS: Jeter - $19M
Top OF: Sheffield - $13M
2nd Pitcher: Mussina - $17M
Total: $92M

Boston Red Sox 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Schilling - $13M
DH: Ortiz - $6.5M
Catcher: Varitek - $9M
SS: Gonzalez - $3M
Top OF: Ramirez - $19M
2nd Pitcher: Beckett - $4.3M
Total: $54.8M



Only problem is most of those players on Cleveland are homegrown or traded for as prospects - nearly the same thing. In a couple of years, those players will have outrageous salaries too and several will likely be somewhere else.

I see your point, though.
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Postby Havok1517 » Thu May 25, 2006 7:30 pm

broomulack wrote:
jondunc wrote:All you fans of big market teams, here's how the other half maximizes their return against two randomly chosen comparison teams ;-)

Cleveland Indians 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Sabathia - $7M
DH: Hafner - $2.5M
Catcher: Martinez - $.8M
SS: Peralta - $.5M
Top OF: Sizemore - $.5M
2nd Pitcher: Lee - $.4M
Total: $11.7M

New York Yankees 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Johnson - $16M
DH: Giambi - $18M
Catcher: Posada - $9M
SS: Jeter - $19M
Top OF: Sheffield - $13M
2nd Pitcher: Mussina - $17M
Total: $92M

Boston Red Sox 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Schilling - $13M
DH: Ortiz - $6.5M
Catcher: Varitek - $9M
SS: Gonzalez - $3M
Top OF: Ramirez - $19M
2nd Pitcher: Beckett - $4.3M
Total: $54.8M



Only problem is most of those players on Cleveland are homegrown or traded for as prospects - nearly the same thing. In a couple of years, those players will have outrageous salaries too and several will likely be somewhere else.

I see your point, though.



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Postby jondunc » Thu May 25, 2006 8:31 pm

broomulack wrote:
jondunc wrote:All you fans of big market teams, here's how the other half maximizes their return against two randomly chosen comparison teams ;-)

Cleveland Indians 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Sabathia - $7M
DH: Hafner - $2.5M
Catcher: Martinez - $.8M
SS: Peralta - $.5M
Top OF: Sizemore - $.5M
2nd Pitcher: Lee - $.4M
Total: $11.7M

New York Yankees 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Johnson - $16M
DH: Giambi - $18M
Catcher: Posada - $9M
SS: Jeter - $19M
Top OF: Sheffield - $13M
2nd Pitcher: Mussina - $17M
Total: $92M

Boston Red Sox 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Schilling - $13M
DH: Ortiz - $6.5M
Catcher: Varitek - $9M
SS: Gonzalez - $3M
Top OF: Ramirez - $19M
2nd Pitcher: Beckett - $4.3M
Total: $54.8M



Only problem is most of those players on Cleveland are homegrown or traded for as prospects - nearly the same thing. In a couple of years, those players will have outrageous salaries too and several will likely be somewhere else.

I see your point, though.

That's true, but you can't punish them for developing/trading for their own talent. And you're wrong about their salaries becoming outrageous, look at these same player's salaries for the 2008 season:
Staff Ace: Sabathia - $9M
DH: Hafner - $4.75M
Catcher: Martinez - $4.25M
SS: Peralta - $2.25M
Top OF: $3M
2nd Pitcher: Cliff Lee not signed
Total: $23.25M without a 2nd pitcher[/quote]
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Postby raiders_umpire » Thu May 25, 2006 10:13 pm

jondunc wrote:All you fans of big market teams, here's how the other half maximizes their return against two randomly chosen comparison teams ;-)

Cleveland Indians 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Sabathia - $7M
DH: Hafner - $2.5M
Catcher: Martinez - $.8M
SS: Peralta - $.5M
Top OF: Sizemore - $.5M
2nd Pitcher: Lee - $.4M
Total: $11.7M




This is kind of a invalid argument, as the players from Cleveland are mainly still young and have not been free agents yet, where as the Sox and Yanks guys have all gone through their free agent years and received the big contracts.
When these guys have been in the majors 10+ years and have made it through their arbitration years, then we will see what their respective salaries are. I am especially interested in seeing what Vmart and Hafner will fetch on the open market in a few more years.
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Postby MVPSizemore » Fri May 26, 2006 12:17 am

neither one will be a FA anytime soon......keep dreaming
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Postby CadensDad » Fri May 26, 2006 12:48 am

Nice website and thankx for the link!
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Postby jondunc » Fri May 26, 2006 8:13 am

raiders_umpire wrote:
jondunc wrote:All you fans of big market teams, here's how the other half maximizes their return against two randomly chosen comparison teams ;-)

Cleveland Indians 2006 season:
Staff Ace: Sabathia - $7M
DH: Hafner - $2.5M
Catcher: Martinez - $.8M
SS: Peralta - $.5M
Top OF: Sizemore - $.5M
2nd Pitcher: Lee - $.4M
Total: $11.7M




This is kind of a invalid argument, as the players from Cleveland are mainly still young and have not been free agents yet, where as the Sox and Yanks guys have all gone through their free agent years and received the big contracts.
When these guys have been in the majors 10+ years and have made it through their arbitration years, then we will see what their respective salaries are. I am especially interested in seeing what Vmart and Hafner will fetch on the open market in a few more years.

You're missing the entire point. The point is that a team like the Indians can't sign players after arbitration and can't sign starts who come off free agency. That's exactly why they are attempting the much more difficult process of developing/trading for young players and attempting to sign them early.
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