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Postby damonhater » Thu May 25, 2006 11:27 am

Dan Lambskin wrote:
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acsguitar wrote:1. Darryl Strawberry
2. Doc Gooden
3. Ken Griffey Jr.
4. Don Mattingly
5. Bo Jackson
6. Kirby Puckett
7. Um Lou Gherig


lol #7 oh my god that was hysterious. The way you took a great player and pretended for humor sake to put him on that list. your the man


:-? wasnt Gherig's career cut short by illness though. the title of the thread is great or greater, so if Lou didnt get sick, he could have been greater, no?


cmon man he played 17 years. Ever heard of Murderer's Row.
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Postby Hotlanta » Thu May 25, 2006 11:53 am

damonhater wrote:cmon man he played 17 years. Ever heard of Murderer's Row.


That's not the point, he could have been greater. Not a big deal is it?

Anyway, I'd like to nominate Randy Johnson. If he wasn't so wild in his younger days we'd be talking about the greatest pitcher ever.
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Postby damonhater » Thu May 25, 2006 12:11 pm

Hotlanta wrote:
damonhater wrote:cmon man he played 17 years. Ever heard of Murderer's Row.


That's not the point, he could have been greater. Not a big deal is it?

Anyway, I'd like to nominate Randy Johnson. If he wasn't so wild in his younger days we'd be talking about the greatest pitcher ever.


Ugh...that is utter nonsense. How could an aging Gehrig been greater.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Thu May 25, 2006 12:25 pm

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Art Vandelay wrote:Although I disagree, I can see choosing Barry, because one could reasonably argue that, had he remained a 40/40 threat instead of becoming a power hitter, he could have been better. But how could Sammy have been better than he was? Three straight 60 HR seasons, and you think he could have been better?


Bonds could have been better? A measly sb compared to a hr?
Sosa was horrible in the field, and never walked till later in his career. One of the most overrated players of the last 10 years.


I think you missed the point of my post...or I'm missing the point of yours.
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Postby Sunspot » Thu May 25, 2006 12:48 pm

Roberto Clemente
Jaun Gonzalez
Ruben Sierra
Ray Fosse


And if Paul Molitor wouldn't of missed All of 1984 and large chunks of 1980, 1981, 1986, 1987, 1990, and 1994...........How many freakin' hits would that guy have ended with.......4,000?....he probably would have been top 3 in lifetime hits!
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Postby yossarian » Thu May 25, 2006 1:39 pm

I like the Clemente one alot. I think that's a real good one. Also Bo Jackson. Heck, he coulda been great in TWO sports.

I'm gonna throw out some guys that we are watching now and are having constant injury problems and could have been great if not for them (and may still be great a some point in the future)

Kerry Wood
Mark Prior
and sadly, I think Ben Sheets, given his last couple years. He's been dominate when he COULD pitch, but too much time on the DL.

I can't imagine what Jr. Griffey's career woulda been like if he'd managed to stay healthy. He was amazing, and still is a pretty darn good player. What would his stats be like if he had all that playing time in his prime back though? 8-o His injuries always made me kinda sad and I'm happy to see him still being productive.
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Postby Howie » Thu May 25, 2006 1:59 pm

damonhater wrote:
Hotlanta wrote:
damonhater wrote:cmon man he played 17 years. Ever heard of Murderer's Row.


That's not the point, he could have been greater. Not a big deal is it?

Anyway, I'd like to nominate Randy Johnson. If he wasn't so wild in his younger days we'd be talking about the greatest pitcher ever.


Ugh...that is utter nonsense. How could an aging Gehrig been greater.


I agree.
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Postby Hotlanta » Thu May 25, 2006 2:03 pm

Howie wrote:
damonhater wrote:
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damonhater wrote:cmon man he played 17 years. Ever heard of Murderer's Row.


That's not the point, he could have been greater. Not a big deal is it?

Anyway, I'd like to nominate Randy Johnson. If he wasn't so wild in his younger days we'd be talking about the greatest pitcher ever.


Ugh...that is utter nonsense. How could an aging Gehrig been greater.


I agree.


Not saying he would have been 'better' as such, but his counting stats could have been improved on. He only started to decline when he started dying. Who knows how productive he may or may not have been?

Like I said, it's realy not worth getting worked up over (which was my main issue).
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Postby Howie » Thu May 25, 2006 2:09 pm

Hotlanta wrote:
Howie wrote:
damonhater wrote:
Hotlanta wrote:
damonhater wrote:cmon man he played 17 years. Ever heard of Murderer's Row.


That's not the point, he could have been greater. Not a big Anyway, I'd like to nominate Randy Johnson. If he wasn't so wild in his younger days we'd be talking about the greatest pitcher ever.deal is it?



Ugh...that is utter nonsense. How could an aging Gehrig been greater.




I agree.


Not saying he would have been 'better' as such, but his counting stats could have been improved on. He only started to decline when he started dying. Who knows how productive he may or may not have been?

Like I said, it's realy not worth getting worked up over (which was my main issue).


True. But Gehrig's career was basically over anyways. It's not like Roberto Clemente or Ted Williams, where their careers were interrupted in their primes and we know that they would have put up more quality seasons.
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Postby Hotlanta » Thu May 25, 2006 2:15 pm

Howie wrote:True. But Gehrig's career was basically over anyways.


How can you say that with such confidence? He was 35 when the disease got hold of him.
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