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Postby jblank » Tue May 23, 2006 2:04 pm

DONUTS wrote:we hear the sam arguements every year. roto is soooooo boring....h-2-h is sooooooooo luck based. in my experiences roto takes a little more skill but is boring. teams that are in the bottom half of the league after the all-star break are basiclly done. there's luck involved in h-2-h leagues b/c of the playoff system....like any fantasy league either baseball, football, or basketball. the best way to counter that in money leauges is to split the pot. in all my money leagues that play h-2-h the money is split with the overall season winner and the playoff winner. more prestiege and money goes to the overall winner b/c the league recongnizes that it's much harder and a better indication of the better team. h-2-h makes fantasy so much more fun. it keeps so many more people involved. in my league the winner of the overall season has the most bragging rights and gets his name engraved on our league fantasy trophy.

head to head rules ;-D


If its so wonderful, why do estimates show that 80-90% of fantasy baseball players play Roto? I suppose those same 80% of players don't get bored year after year after all.

The second year I played in my big money league I was in 11th after April, in 3rd at the ASB, 1st in August, and back to 6th at the end of the season. Now tell me again how managers are "done" after a certain point in the season? Again, I think you guys are stuck in this mentality that there is always 100+ points seperating 1st from 12th and that half the managers quit. That does not happen if you find the right leagues and we keep giving you guys examples of how teams can win or lose right up to the last day.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Tue May 23, 2006 3:34 pm

I feel a little more proud of myself winning a roto league than I do winning a head to head league. It deals more with skill and balance and it really shows who has the best team. In fantasy baseball, the best team should win.
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Postby nuggets » Tue May 23, 2006 3:47 pm

Depends on what better is for you, randomness and luck or judgment of skill. It's harder to be consistently lucky ;-)
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Postby mak1277 » Tue May 23, 2006 4:11 pm

DONUTS wrote:like any fantasy league either baseball, football, or basketball. the best way to counter that in money leauges is to split the pot. in all my money leagues that play h-2-h the money is split with the overall season winner and the playoff winner. more prestiege and money goes to the overall winner b/c the league recongnizes that it's much harder and a better indication of the better team.


Just wanted to highlight this point, because it's key. If you want to counteract the "luck" factor of h-2-h, just split the darn pot. Or, run 2 leagues concurrently, one roto, one h-2-h with the exact same teams. There are many ways around the "problems" of each format.
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Postby Ender » Tue May 23, 2006 6:23 pm

jblank wrote:
Ender wrote:There are more tough choices in weekly lineups than daily. Sitting a pitcher against the highest scoring teams isn't exactly rocket science~.

Deciding whether to start one mediocre guy against a poor team or going with your mediocre guy who faces two good teams is a hard choice. I would say strategy wise it goes...

Weekly H2H > Daily H2H > Roto.


Thats your opinion but the majority of players and experts will vehemently disagree with that. The simple multitude of choices given to you and thrown at you on a daily basis means that daily leagues, regardless of what they are, will need more attention and strategy.


The majority of people like bad pop music too, doesn't make them 'right'. Not that the majority of people have even tried every format, they play one and stick with it and thats the best one to them without bothering to try others.

Yes daily requires more daily attention for sure, no it doesn't require more strategy, the strategy is dumbed down because the choices are a lot easier with daily lineups than with weekly.

The real answer is neither is better than the other, play the one you enjoy and thats the best for you. Just because I despise point leagues and think they take all of the fun out of fantasy baseball does not make them 'bad', it just means I don't like them.
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Postby DevilDriver » Tue May 23, 2006 6:26 pm

Yoda wrote:It depends on the person. I am in two H2H money leagues with people I know. I like it much better since each week I can look forward to even if I got creamed the last three weeks.

Plus playing against your friends means there is new smack talking every week. I prefer it to roto.

This is exactly why I like H2H ;-D
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Postby Mugwump » Tue May 23, 2006 9:44 pm

Personally, I like a combo of the two. I play in a league that utilizes a LEAGUE H2H concept... Each week the top half get a win and the bottom half get a loss. It is our fourth year and has been great.
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Postby laxguy8947 » Tue May 23, 2006 10:45 pm

If its so wonderful, why do estimates show that 80-90% of fantasy baseball players play Roto? I suppose those same 80% of players don't get bored year after year after all.

Lets see a link. I don't buy that for a second. Roto may have the lead, but I'd put it around 60/40

Why do these debate always break out anyways. Each system has it own pros and cons etc. etc. Shouldn't the real, skilled fantasy baseball player be able to handle both of them?

I'm in four leagues. Two roto, two H2H. I'm in second place in all four right now.
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Postby 4Pack » Tue May 23, 2006 10:47 pm

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rainman23 wrote:People are constantly making the point that Roto is much better than H2H. So the original poster is way off base.

This anti-playoff thing is pretty tiresome. Almost every sport everywhere has gone to playoffs. We all jeer at college football because they refuse to adopt a real playoff. If your kid played in a league that didn't do playoffs at the end of the year, you'd wonder what the story was. But somehow the fact that playoffs may exist at the end of your fantasy league season diminishes the whole experience for you. Whatever value playoffs have everywhere else do not apply to fantasy baseball. Why? Because, dammit, you've got the best team, and you might not win a short series. Wow, how unacceptable. The fact that your victory is not a foregone conclusion like the last two months of your Roto season...gee, that's terrible.

In every H2H league, the last month means something. In lots and lots of Roto leagues, this is not true. This constant harping about the unpredictability that playoffs adds to the game make you guys sound like tired old men. A lot of posters are constantly thumping their chests about how competitive their leagues are. Well, it doesn't sound like some of you enjoy competition at all.


I just wanted you to know I won my big money roto league on the very last day last year. And the final five were separated by 4 points at the end. You can't buy that kind of drama in H2H.

For you h2h players, have you ever wasted an entire season by getting bounced from the playoffs, when you clearly had the superior team, just because your players took a week off???? I just find that extremely unjustified. May the best man win, not the man with the hottest team during a particular week of the season.


Yep....the past 2 seasons in my H2H private league....I have literally run away with the regular season championship. 2 years ago I lost in the WS......last season I lost in the lst round of the playoffs. Yep it sucked...but that is baseball.


In one of my roto leagues this season (14 teams)....4 teams are already all but mathematically eliminated. Yep...WOOHOO...bet this 2 month season of theirs has been fun. I am sitting in 2nd place...3.5 points behind the leader and am bored to death. Set my lineup and go back to my H2H league where the real action is on a daily basis.
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Postby Kurtangletn » Wed May 24, 2006 12:14 am

There are a couple reasons why I dont and do like rotis..

First off I hate having to be good in every cat, especially in ones like Errors and Fielding precentage, becuas most the time you cant do anything about it.

Second, its a bit more boring then head to head, I think more people end up quitting becuase there is no real trash talk.

Third, I like that you can improve your team, its the easiest to come back in.

Fourth, its normally the best one for skill becuase you're not just thinking about a couple of stats
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