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Postby thehotcorner » Mon May 15, 2006 6:40 pm

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Apollo wrote:Not to taint the thread, but how do you guys think he compares to Hamels? Which is the better future stud, now and in the future?



liriano > hamels.

hands down.

edit: they are the same age, both top highly touted top pitching prospects who tore up the minors.

but liriano is lefty with a mid 90s fastball and a slider that can reach 90.

gotta give the edge to the lefty, especially since he throws harder.


Just to clarify, they are both lefties with a mid 90s fastball. Liriano has a wicked slider and Hamels has an excellent change up. Both could be special.


omg. i forgot hamels was a lefty.
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Postby Yoda » Mon May 15, 2006 6:41 pm

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Apollo wrote:Not to taint the thread, but how do you guys think he compares to Hamels? Which is the better future stud, now and in the future?



liriano > hamels.

hands down.

edit: they are the same age, both top highly touted top pitching prospects who tore up the minors.

but liriano is lefty with a mid 90s fastball and a slider that can reach 90.

gotta give the edge to the lefty, especially since he throws harder.


Well considering that they are both lefties, I don't see why Liriano gets the edge there.

I rank them pretty equally. I like the fact that Hamels has much less mileage on his arm and doesn't utilize a slider which causes the most stress.
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Postby thehotcorner » Mon May 15, 2006 6:50 pm

to say Hamels has a mid 90s fastball is being a bit generous, he works in the low 90s and can reach the mid 90s. whereas liriano consistently works in the mid 90s and can reach the high 90s.

also Hamels has less mileage on his arm because of injuries, that's a good thing?

i still like liriano more.
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Postby brandnew » Mon May 15, 2006 6:55 pm

Yeah, Hamels doesn't use a mid 90's fastball.
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Postby CeeLoGreen » Mon May 15, 2006 6:57 pm

brandnew wrote:Yeah, Hamels doesn't use a mid 90's fastball.


I forgot 93 qualifies as a low 90s fastball...

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Postby raiders_umpire » Mon May 15, 2006 7:15 pm

I can't wait to see him get a chance at starting. Liriano should definitely help the Twins starting rotation. A Santana-Liriano 1,2 punch should be awesome in Minnesota for many years.
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Postby Yoda » Mon May 15, 2006 7:19 pm

thehotcorner wrote:to say Hamels has a mid 90s fastball is being a bit generous, he works in the low 90s and can reach the mid 90s. whereas liriano consistently works in the mid 90s and can reach the high 90s.

also Hamels has less mileage on his arm because of injuries, that's a good thing?

i still like liriano more.


Hamels doesn't have a mid 90s FB. He can dial it up to 93-94 if he needed to.

Yes, having low mileage on his arm and pitching like he is definitely a good thing. Granted he does come with a higher health risk than Liriano, Hamels best pitches do not put any additional stress on his arm/elbow. That's just my take though don't believe me if you don't want to.
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Postby thehotcorner » Mon May 15, 2006 7:23 pm

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brandnew wrote:Yeah, Hamels doesn't use a mid 90's fastball.


I forgot 93 qualifies as a low 90s fastball...

My apoligizes.


if he consistently threw 93+, i would say he has a mid 90's fastball.

the fact is that his 'comfort zone' is more like 90-92. yes, he can hit 93+, but so can pedro and i wouldn't call pedro someone who works with a mid 90s fastball ( at least not anymore ).
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Postby bucksox » Mon May 15, 2006 8:26 pm

if they were roughly equal, I would give the edge fantasy-wise to Hamels because of the supporting offense which has been pretty weak with the Twins. I do think Liriano is a better pitcher though just because of Hamels history of injury.
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Postby Los_Dodgers » Mon May 15, 2006 9:14 pm

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