In case you needed more proof Scott Boras is scum - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

In case you needed more proof Scott Boras is scum

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

In case you needed more proof Scott Boras is scum

Postby ironman » Fri May 12, 2006 11:05 am

Peter Gammons wrote:More than 50 scouts were in Fort Worth to watch Luke Hochevar on Monday night in an independent American Association exhibition game.

Oh yes. Mopping up in relief was Matt Harrington, beginning his fourth season as a Fort Worth Cat.

Hochevar could be back in the June 6 draft if the Dodgers do not get him signed before June 4. While L.A. scouting director Logan White was in attendance, there seems to be industry-wide doubt that the Dodgers will be able to sign Hochevar. Which, since this may be the weakest draft since 2000, could put Hochevar up in the top 10 picks.

You may or may not know the story. Hochevar, a junior at the University of Tennessee, was considered a tough sign because of Scott Boras and lasted until the 40th selection, in the sandwich round. The Dodgers originally could not get him signed, but when Hochevar switched agents from Boras to Matt Sosnick, a deal was worked out for $2.98 million.

Only Hochevar jumped back to Boras, the deal was off the table, and the 22-year-old right-handed pitcher is a Fort Worth Cat. Like the 24-year-old Harrington.

"Hochevar was pretty impressive," says one major league executive. "He was 92 to 97, and sat regularly at 94-95. He's healthy, which everyone wanted to see. He does tend to spin at the end of his delivery which makes it tough for him to get in on right-handed batters, but he's a quality prospect in a year when there aren't many quality arms."

The question in most scouting directors' minds is what it will take to sign Hochevar, and whether he is willing to risk sitting around for another year and becoming a repeat Cat.

If $2.98 million is not enough ...

Maybe he should ask Harrington how he enjoys his day job. Matt was a top-10 pick once, the seventh pick in the 2000 draft. He turned down $4.1 million from the Colorado Rockies, but had no school to attend and had to get a day job.

After the Colorado fiasco, Harrington switched agents from Tommy Tanzer to Boras, and in 2001 was drafted in the second round by the San Diego Padres. At the advice of Boras, he turned down more than $1 million.

In 2002, Harrington was drafted in the 13th round by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. In 2003, he was drafted in the 24th round by the Cincinnati Reds. In 2004, he was drafted in the 36th round by the Yankees.

In 2005, he finally went undrafted and was -- and still is -- free to sign with any major-league team.

That hasn't happened. He is entering his fourth season with Fort Worth, for whom he has pitched in 62 games with a 10-11 record and 4.00 ERA.

"Harrington was throwing 84-85," said the executive. "His stuff wasn't close to what it was six years ago. It was very sad."

Hochevar pitches in a regular-season game on Saturday night. Harrington might mop up, or he might not. Hochevar is trying to prove that $2.5 million or $2.98 million -- or whatever -- was not enough, and if someone drafts him and sticks to a slotted number, maybe he will stick to his principle and bring the scouts back to Fort Worth next year at this time.

Harrington was advised to stick to his principles. He lost $4.1 million and then $1 million, but he's got 10 wins as a Fort Worth Cat.
Image
Wendigo's Camaro
ironman
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerEagle EyeWeb Supporter
Posts: 4901
(Past Year: 97)
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Dubuque

Re: In case you needed more proof Scott Boras is scum

Postby subie101 » Fri May 12, 2006 11:35 am

ironman wrote:
Peter Gammons wrote:Maybe he should ask Harrington how he enjoys his day job. Matt was a top-10 pick once, the seventh pick in the 2000 draft. He turned down $4.1 million from the Colorado Rockies, but had no school to attend and had to get a day job.


that greedy bastid!
subie101
College Coach
College Coach

User avatar

Posts: 160
Joined: 14 Apr 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Fenway Paak

Postby Yoda » Fri May 12, 2006 11:42 am

Why is this Boras' fault? The players don't have a mind of their own? They are the ones choosing Boras to represent them.

Also, Harrington is an idiot for turning down 4M+. Boras wasn't his agent at the time and still made that stupid decision. I'm glad he isn't pitching for anyone.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Postby AcidRock23 » Fri May 12, 2006 11:47 am

Man, that is a grim story. I would think twice before listening to that guy. I guess for every Johnny Damon deal where a veteran's agent manages to get an extra year out of a team there's probably dozens of these guys? Thanks for the post though!!
AcidRock23
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterEagle Eye
Posts: 4170
Joined: 8 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Champaign, IL

Postby Niffoc4 » Fri May 12, 2006 12:39 pm

Yoda wrote:Why is this Boras' fault? The players don't have a mind of their own? They are the ones choosing Boras to represent them.

Also, Harrington is an idiot for turning down 4M+. Boras wasn't his agent at the time and still made that stupid decision. I'm glad he isn't pitching for anyone.

exactly... Boras just plays the market... yeah he's really good at it, and its a kind of scummy job, but as long as teams will pay he'll have a job
Niffoc4
Major League Manager
Major League Manager


Posts: 1700
(Past Year: 9)
Joined: 26 Oct 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby j_d_mcnugent » Fri May 12, 2006 12:50 pm

its not all boras. last year pawelek, tyler greene, and mccormick were all relatively easy signs for the drafting team. when someone picks boras as their agent, they usually tell boras to go for everything he can get.
back from the dead
j_d_mcnugent
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicCafe Ranker
Posts: 3766
Joined: 1 May 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: bored at work

Postby Danimal » Fri May 12, 2006 1:11 pm

Boras is bad for baseball. Period.
Danimal
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 935
Joined: 29 Dec 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby Secret Avatar » Fri May 12, 2006 1:19 pm

Why is this Boras' fault? I've got no love for the guy, but he just plays the hand he is dealt. It's the TEAMS that hold the money. Its the PLAYERS that decide what to do. I can't fault Boras for playing on the greed of players and the foolishness of teams to spend gazillions on unproven players.

Harrington was an absolute idiot to turn down $4.1 million (!) regardless of what his agent (who was not Boras at the time) told him to do. 8-o

Earth to Harrington: if you're 18 years old and someone offers you $4.1 million to throw a little white ball some 60 feet to a dude in a mask, YOU TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN. ;-D
I am the Master. Don't question the Master. Just do what he says and be proud.
Secret Avatar
General Manager
General Manager

Cafeholic
Posts: 3235
Joined: 15 Nov 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby Yoda » Fri May 12, 2006 1:24 pm

Danimal wrote:Boras is bad for baseball. Period.


I used to think this also but... What Boras does is the American way.

It's the teams fault anyway. They are the ones holding all the gold.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Postby AcidRock23 » Fri May 12, 2006 1:36 pm

I think that there needs to be a middle ground between the 'old school' where owners took advantage of players and the new deal where agents take advantage of fans.

Maybe the Baseball Café could just arbitrate salaries for MLB? Or only members w/ 2585+ posts!! hee hee ;-D :-D
AcidRock23
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterEagle Eye
Posts: 4170
Joined: 8 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Champaign, IL

Next

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: GiantsFan14 and 7 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Saturday, Jul. 26
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Toronto at NY Yankees
(1:05 pm)
St. Louis at Chi Cubs
(4:05 pm)
Washington at Cincinnati
(4:05 pm)
Baltimore at Seattle
(4:10 pm)
Arizona at Philadelphia
(7:05 pm)
Boston at Tampa Bay
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Chi White Sox at Minnesota
(7:10 pm)
NY Mets at Milwaukee
(7:10 pm)
Cleveland at Kansas City
(7:10 pm)
Miami at Houston
(7:10 pm)
San Diego at Atlanta
(7:10 pm)
Oakland at Texas
(8:05 pm)
Pittsburgh at Colorado
(8:10 pm)
Detroit at LA Angels
(9:05 pm)
LA Dodgers at San Francisco
(9:05 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact