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No Save for Baez: Clarification?

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Thu May 11, 2006 7:33 am

Why is it that Baez did not qualify for a save here:

Bottom 8th: LA Dodgers
- R. Springer relieved M. Gallo
- S. Alomar Jr. flied out to center
- R. Martinez walked
- F. Osoria struck out looking
- J. Cruz Jr. popped out to shallow left center

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors
Houston 3, LA Dodgers 9

Top 9th: Houston
- O. Palmeiro hit for R. Springer
- O. Palmeiro singled to shortstop
- C. Biggio flied out to right
- W. Taveras walked, O. Palmeiro to second
- L. Berkman homered to deep right, O. Palmeiro and W. Taveras scored
- D. Baez relieved F. Osoria
- M. Ensberg struck out swinging
- P. Wilson struck out swinging

3 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors
Houston 6, LA Dodgers 9
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Postby Jimbo OZ » Thu May 11, 2006 7:39 am

For a save to be credited to a pitcher, the pitcher must fulfil at least one of the following three conditions:

1. He comes into the game with a lead of no more than three runs, and pitches at least one full inning.

2. He comes into the game with the potential tying run being either on base, at bat, or on deck. In other words, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batters he faces.

3. He pitches at least three "effective" innings (this is the only subjective criterion and is judged by the official scorer).


Baez didn't fulfil any of these conditions.
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Postby OneLoveBoomer » Thu May 11, 2006 7:43 am

I suppose I see where it makes sense. I've always thought that save business is a tad too arbitrary. Thanks for the response.
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Postby The Jury » Thu May 11, 2006 9:15 am

Jimbo OZ wrote:For a save to be credited to a pitcher, the pitcher must fulfil at least one of the following three conditions:

1. He comes into the game with a lead of no more than three runs, and pitches at least one full inning.

2. He comes into the game with the potential tying run being either on base, at bat, or on deck. In other words, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batters he faces.

3. He pitches at least three "effective" innings (this is the only subjective criterion and is judged by the official scorer).


Baez didn't fulfil any of these conditions.


Hence he doesn't have to pitch one full inning, but must fulfill one of the conditions.

(Just in case this post gives you the false impression that he must pitch one full inning due to the bold text).
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Postby River Rat » Thu May 11, 2006 9:49 am

In this particular case, Baez was one man on base away from earning the save.

So close but no cigar. He did well to shut the Astrod hitters down and that counts for a lot!

I am thankful for the 0.2 IP of work :-)
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Thu May 11, 2006 11:04 am

That's a part of the rule I'd never noticed. I've seen lots of 1 or 2 out saves but never realized that those saves had to come under the tying run on deck rule. So the only way a pitcher gets into the situation that Baez was in is if it is EXACTLY a three run lead. A 2 run lead or less would always have the tying run in the on deck circle.
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Postby The Jury » Thu May 11, 2006 11:19 am

The Loveable Losers wrote:That's a part of the rule I'd never noticed. I've seen lots of 1 or 2 out saves but never realized that those saves had to come under the tying run on deck rule. So the only way a pitcher gets into the situation that Baez was in is if it is EXACTLY a three run lead. A 2 run lead or less would always have the tying run in the on deck circle.


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Postby Nerfherders » Thu May 11, 2006 4:04 pm

Yep. I dont think Ive ever encountered that before. Good tidbit of info!
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