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Postby stevethumb » Tue May 09, 2006 6:36 pm

i have some strong opinions on the subject but would like to hear what the cafe has to say....which is the better achievement ? joe d's 56 game hitting streak or the splendid splinter's .406 .... please explain your answer in depth
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Postby Tavish » Tue May 09, 2006 7:33 pm

In terms of value the hit streak is nowhere close to Ted Williams .406. Dimaggio hit .409 through the 56 games, only .003 points better than Williams did over 143 games. The Splinter was far and away the best offensive player that season and .400 is a great benchmark. He was without a doubt screwed out of the MVP award based on the Yankees making the playoffs and the celebrity status of Dimaggio.

But it is hard to argue against the 56 game hit streak. In terms of baseball history, DiMaggio's 56 is the bigger achievement simply because it is something no one else has been able to do. Sure no one has been able to reach .400 since Teddy, but his .400 is one in a list of 28 other seasons.
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Postby Arlo » Wed May 10, 2006 9:12 am

I think Tavish has it exactly right. It really does come down to what you mean by "better achievement." In terms of on-field value, give the nod to the Splinter, easily. In terms of uniqueness, Joe D's 56 is obviously in a class of its own.
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Postby thedude » Wed May 10, 2006 2:57 pm

while .406 was worth more than the 56 game hit streak in terms of value, the 56 game hitting streak is much more unlikely. the chances of a hitting streak lasting that long are so statically small that it can be classified as impossible.
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Postby bostonwr » Fri May 12, 2006 11:03 pm

Tavish wrote:In terms of value the hit streak is nowhere close to Ted Williams .406. Dimaggio hit .409 through the 56 games, only .003 points better than Williams did over 143 games. The Splinter was far and away the best offensive player that season and .400 is a great benchmark. He was without a doubt screwed out of the MVP award based on the Yankees making the playoffs and the celebrity status of Dimaggio.

But it is hard to argue against the 56 game hit streak. In terms of baseball history, DiMaggio's 56 is the bigger achievement simply because it is something no one else has been able to do. Sure no one has been able to reach .400 since Teddy, but his .400 is one in a list of 28 other seasons.



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Postby pokeyjoe » Sat May 13, 2006 10:00 pm

The 56 game hit streak is far and away the better achievement, and it probably helped his team more in the 56 games than the .406 average did. But over the course of a whole season, I'd rather have a .400 hitter.
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Postby Tavish » Sat May 13, 2006 10:20 pm

pokeyjoe wrote:The 56 game hit streak is far and away the better achievement, and it probably helped his team more in the 56 games than the .406 average did. But over the course of a whole season, I'd rather have a .400 hitter.


As I pointed out before, during Joe's 56 game hitting streak he hit .409 and slugged .716. Ted hit .406 for the entire season and slugged .735. Pretty hard to imagine that Joe's hit streak really helped the team more than what Ted did on an everyday basis that year.
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Postby J35J » Wed May 31, 2006 11:32 am

Tavish wrote:In terms of value the hit streak is nowhere close to Ted Williams .406. Dimaggio hit .409 through the 56 games, only .003 points better than Williams did over 143 games. The Splinter was far and away the best offensive player that season and .400 is a great benchmark. He was without a doubt screwed out of the MVP award based on the Yankees making the playoffs and the celebrity status of Dimaggio.

But it is hard to argue against the 56 game hit streak. In terms of baseball history, DiMaggio's 56 is the bigger achievement simply because it is something no one else has been able to do. Sure no one has been able to reach .400 since Teddy, but his .400 is one in a list of 28 other seasons.



Didn't Teddy Ballgame out hit Joe during Joe's hit streak. I think it was .412 avg for Ted and .408 avg for Joe during the 56 game hit streak!! So even during the actual streak Ted had a better avg than Joe did.


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Postby BaseballEncyclopedia » Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:28 pm

I'm going to have to go with the streak. Sure .406 is amazing, but that streak may never be broken.
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Postby buckwild13 » Sun May 13, 2007 2:48 pm

im much bigger on the .406, that streak is just a streak, the fact that he could go 1 for 4 for 56 games should not be a hearld record in baseball.

and pointed out from above, he was out hit during his own streak. id rather be the owner of consecutive games getting on base. and im not positive but i think teddy ballgame owns that one
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