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Postby bellings » Wed May 03, 2006 10:56 am

In the hall or fame thread, someone made the case for Frank Thomas, and it was scary how similar these players are. Frank Thomas had an excellent career, but if he would have avoided injuries, he would have been threatening the all-time HR record. I just hope the Pujols can avoid becoming the next Frank Thomas.
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Postby TheRock » Wed May 03, 2006 11:27 am

It's hard if not impossible to compare players of different generations. Players like Ruth, Cobb, Williams, etc. dominated the league in their day, but that was a different day. Hard to compare someone from the modern era.

But, I think if Pujols stays healthy and keep mashing another 10 years he'll make a good run at best hitter of the modern era. And no, I don't think we can count Balco Barry in the mix. Imagine what a roided up Phat Albert could do.
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Postby The G-Man » Wed May 03, 2006 4:43 pm

I am a big Pujols fan, but until he hits .400, I cannot rate him as the best ever.
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Postby DCNats » Wed May 03, 2006 5:49 pm

The G-Man wrote:I am a big Pujols fan, but until he hits .400, I cannot rate him as the best ever.


That's arbitrary. Why not .406? I realize .400 is held up as some sort of magical threshold, but there's no way it should be used as the sole indicator of how good a hitter is. Ignoring the obvious differences between eras, there are other aspects of hitting beside a simple batting average that should factor into the discussion.
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Postby DK » Wed May 03, 2006 5:59 pm

TheRock wrote:It's hard if not impossible to compare players of different generations. Players like Ruth, Cobb, Williams, etc. dominated the league in their day, but that was a different day. Hard to compare someone from the modern era.

But, I think if Pujols stays healthy and keep mashing another 10 years he'll make a good run at best hitter of the modern era. And no, I don't think we can count Balco Barry in the mix. Imagine what a roided up Phat Albert could do.


Pujols has been substansially better than Bonds up until age 25, but it was at 25 when Bonds truly began to blossom so it's not a fair comparison. Every season in which Bonds played at least 105 games since he was 25 he's had an OBP over .400, and usually well over. Now, Bonds has gotten to that level that just pure talent can't even take you, so Pujols if he has that killer instinct and supreme eye that Bonds has may become what Bonds has become.

It's clear Pujols was well better than Bonds up until this point - the only question is if he will keep that level and then surpass it as Bonds has.
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Postby thedude » Wed May 03, 2006 6:37 pm

My only comment on this is that at Pujols' age, Williams was serving in the army. He missed signifigant time in the prime of his career, did not work (at least in modern terms), and still came back and hit 500 homeruns. Obviously with era and not missing time to military service pujols will have better counting stats.

through age 26 Williams had a career OPS+ of 191, Pujols 161. Despite missing his 24, 25, and 26 year old seasons.
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Postby OhMrScottyTrav06 » Wed May 03, 2006 9:18 pm

There were different circumstances in the 30's and 40's with war and racial discrimination as compared to the 60's and 70's with all the hippies and the vietnam war as compared with the 90's and 2000's with the steroids and watered down talent but the reliever specialists). It would be nice to distinguish Ruth from Williams from Mays from Aaron from Bonds from Pujols...etc...

You can't compare players from different eras. Your arguments have a lot of opinions and you really won't get anywhere.

Period.

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Postby HOOTIE » Thu May 04, 2006 8:50 am

acsguitar wrote:I think Ichiro is the best all around player ever though


Nah. Not even close.
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu May 04, 2006 8:53 am

Ender wrote:Suzuki isn't fit to carry Pujols bat for him.

Pujols has a higher career average and thats with pitchers trying to pitch around him and give him nothing to hit. Nobody fears suzuki, he's a product of slap hitting singles. Pujols has a career OPS of 1.048, Suzuki's is a paltry .816.

Its not close between Gwynn and Pujols either, since he was mentioned.


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Postby HOOTIE » Thu May 04, 2006 9:06 am

Bonds and Williams are the best modern hitters easily. How did Ichiro get in this thread? He's the most overrated modern hitter. Ichiro isn't top 10 now in current hitters.
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