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Postby Tavish » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:06 pm

DK wrote:He may not get in first-ballot because he started his career late, played half of it as a DH, and on top of that he played all of it in a pitcher's park, but Edgar Martinez is a surefire first-ballot HoFer in my opinion.


I don't see Edgar ever making it in. He is a slightly better version of John Olerud, but with less than four seasons played in the field. Playing in an offensive era his numbers just aren't flashy enough to get the votes.


Locks if they never played another game(unless the voters suddenly develop a conscience)

Bonds
Griffey

Clemens
Maddux
RJ
Pedro

Chance of becoming locks pretty soon
ARod (2 years from 500 HR)
Jeter ( 3-4 more seasons of top flight production and will get in with his name value backing him up)
Vladimir ( 5-6 years from being a lock)
Manny ( 2 years from 500 HR)
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Postby DK » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:20 pm

ReginaldVelJohnson wrote:I wouldn't really say Edgar Martinez and Manny Ramirez are comperable at all.


I didn't try to compare them. Separate statements. :-)
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Postby Andy1234 » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:58 pm

*Bonds
Clemens
Maddox

maybe Griffey Jr, He'll get in, its just a maybe on sure fire 1st ballot

*Bonds is the wild card, he should be a sure fire 1st ballot, but the Steroids issue could prevent that from happening.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:03 pm

Everyone belongs in the HOF....EVERYONE. Play 10 years and you should automaticallly qualify. It is only fair. If Ozzie Smith can get in with a 660 OPS, then anyone good enough to play regularly for 10 or more years should qualify as an all time great.
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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:48 pm

I think Andruw Jones will be in. He's only 29, has over 300HR, a ton of Gold Gloves, and has already started this year off with a bang.
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Postby bceagles04 » Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:50 pm

Havok1517 wrote:I think Andruw Jones will be in. He's only 29, has over 300HR, a ton of Gold Gloves, and has already started this year off with a bang.


Yup, he has an outside shot right now IMO...but I if he keeps up these HR numbers...he has a very good shot
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Postby eftda » Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:52 pm

ReginaldVelJohnson wrote:Derek Jeter

Even if you hate him, he's the Yankee captain of the dynasty. He'll retire with a .300+ avg, 3000 hits, possibly 300 HR, and a few gold gloves.


We are talking about player who would be in if they retired today.



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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:02 pm

I saw some people with Mariano Rivera on their lists. I suggest you add Trevor Hoffman, before DM and Wrveres have a conniption. :-b
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Postby thedude » Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:14 pm

ReginaldVelJohnson wrote:Derek Jeter

Even if you hate him, he's the Yankee captain of the dynasty. He'll retire with a .300+ avg, 3000 hits, possibly 300 HR, and a few gold gloves.


If he retired today, Jeter would not be a first ballot HOFer.

Pedro has to be on the list. He would get in 5 years if he blow out his arm on his next pitch (which is a possibility with this guy)


Manny
Arod
Jeter

Are all on thier way to being HOFers but need a few more years each.
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Postby bellings » Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:32 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:Everyone belongs in the HOF....EVERYONE. Play 10 years and you should automaticallly qualify. It is only fair. If Ozzie Smith can get in with a 660 OPS, then anyone good enough to play regularly for 10 or more years should qualify as an all time great.


Yes, every player that plays for 10 years, posts a 660 OPS, and is the greatest player of all time at the most important defensive position in baseball should make the HOF.
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