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Postby thehat » Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:57 pm

pokeyjoe wrote:
teddy ballgame wrote:
warrick95 wrote:Maybe selling high on Paps is a good path to take at this point. I mean, if you can trade him on the level of a Turnbowtype closer, why not?

Because he will be a very good starter if he does go to the rotation. ;-D


I'm not so sure about that. Was he a starter in the minors?


He started 48 of his 58 minor league appearances.
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Postby orakana » Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:57 pm

This is all a bunch of useless speculation. Unless something major happens I can't see Foulke back in the closer role with his physical problems, velocity problems, and general lack of ability to pitch period. He didn't show much last year in his attempts each end of the DL stint and he hasn't shown anything in his innings yet this year.

Honestly does anyone think he has anything left of value for the sox or a fantasy team? This all sounds like desperate talk for people in desperate need of some kind of closer, go and get orvella or soriano if you're that hard up, they'll close sooner than Foulke will.
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Postby Dark Knight » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:06 pm

orakana wrote:This is all a bunch of useless speculation. Unless something major happens I can't see Foulke back in the closer role with his physical problems, velocity problems, and general lack of ability to pitch period. He didn't show much last year in his attempts each end of the DL stint and he hasn't shown anything in his innings yet this year.

Honestly does anyone think he has anything left of value for the sox or a fantasy team? This all sounds like desperate talk for people in desperate need of some kind of closer, go and get orvella or soriano if you're that hard up, they'll close sooner than Foulke will.


;-D What he said.
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Postby Pokey » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:07 pm

orakana wrote:This is all a bunch of useless speculation. Unless something major happens I can't see Foulke back in the closer role with his physical problems, velocity problems, and general lack of ability to pitch period. He didn't show much last year in his attempts each end of the DL stint and he hasn't shown anything in his innings yet this year.

Honestly does anyone think he has anything left of value for the sox or a fantasy team? This all sounds like desperate talk for people in desperate need of some kind of closer, go and get orvella or soriano if you're that hard up, they'll close sooner than Foulke will.


Foulke returning to the closers role and papelbon moving to the rotation has pretty serious implications for a lot of fantasy teams. Yes it's speculation, but it's educated speculation. If you don't speculate at all and just wait until something actually happens, by that time it will be too late to make any moves to benefit your fantasy team (in this case, Foulke will have been picked up and Papelbon's trade value will have plummeted).
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Postby The Jury » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:58 pm

Pokey wrote:
orakana wrote:This is all a bunch of useless speculation. Unless something major happens I can't see Foulke back in the closer role with his physical problems, velocity problems, and general lack of ability to pitch period. He didn't show much last year in his attempts each end of the DL stint and he hasn't shown anything in his innings yet this year.

Honestly does anyone think he has anything left of value for the sox or a fantasy team? This all sounds like desperate talk for people in desperate need of some kind of closer, go and get orvella or soriano if you're that hard up, they'll close sooner than Foulke will.


Foulke returning to the closers role and papelbon moving to the rotation has pretty serious implications for a lot of fantasy teams. Yes it's speculation, but it's educated speculation. If you don't speculate at all and just wait until something actually happens, by that time it will be too late to make any moves to benefit your fantasy team (in this case, Foulke will have been picked up and Papelbon's trade value will have plummeted).


This is true ;-D Papelbon is tagged as a starter, and Hansen is the closer of the future. In order for that to happen, you have to get Papelbon in the starting rotation, because that's where starters go!

If you don't speculate, you're not staying one step ahead of the game.
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Postby TurdFerguson » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:24 am

RynMan wrote:If Papelbon is moved into the rotation I will be weary and try to shop him. Once teams start to see him more and formulate deeper scouting reports I think the league will catch up with him. Hitters will also start to catchup to him 2 and 3 times through the order.
You can say that about every young pitcher that comes up but the catch is that Paps has some really nasty stuff.The guy throws gas and he pitched a good bit last year so its not like people have not seen him already
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Postby The Jury » Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:02 am

TurdFerguson wrote:
RynMan wrote:If Papelbon is moved into the rotation I will be weary and try to shop him. Once teams start to see him more and formulate deeper scouting reports I think the league will catch up with him. Hitters will also start to catchup to him 2 and 3 times through the order.
You can say that about every young pitcher that comes up but the catch is that Paps has some really nasty stuff.The guy throws gas and he pitched a good bit last year so its not like people have not seen him already


Ya, I'm not too sure what RynMan was saying there. If I take what he said there at face value, then I'd have to assume that there would be no good pitchers in the Majors...
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Postby tgalv » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:04 am

Krunk City King$ wrote:
Keith Foulke (0-1) walked Troy Glaus with two outs in the 12th before Rudy Seanez relieved and allowed Overbay's double to left center. Glaus chugged around the bases and slid headfirst for the winning run and Foulke was tagged with his first loss of the year.
(Updated 04/22/2006).


This doesn't bode well for his chances to regain the closing job. However, it's great news if you own Jonathan Papelbon.


whoever wrote this analysis is an incompetent moron. foulke has looked really good recently, and in that game he pitched well. he walked the guy on an identical pitch to the pitch before which was called a strike. then rudy seanez blew the game, not foulke. foulke was crusing and probably would have got out of the inning if they stuck with him.

i'm not saying keith foulke is gonna be light outs and return to the closer role, or to pick him up but take what you read with a grain of salt. this guy who wrote that is probably living in his mom's basement watching porn and reading box scores all day.
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Postby tgalv » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:11 am

That's pretty powerfull. However, with Wells and their fifth starter not looking well, this could change. Anyone know who else could replace as a fifth starter? I think if Wells goes down, for a period of time, they have no choice but to move Papel. into the rotation.


dinardo for the short term, maybe longer. after a while they could bring up lester or maybe abe alvarez if they weren't comfortable with lester.
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Postby orakana » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:43 am

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I'm not arguing the speculating part, that's why were all here to try to stay that one step ahead. Its just that I don't think speculating about foulke as a closer option is the best thing to worry about. Like i said there's plenty of other solid options out there to speculate about.
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