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Postby HOOTIE » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:30 pm

NikkiSixx wrote:Ive got one!


How many people have hit 3 HR's in one game at RFK stadium?

How many players went 30/30 last year?

How many players over the last 5 years have come close to hitting 40/40 twice?





And cords says to me "Someone will be stupid enough to pay him a lot of money next year."

You know I respect your opinion a whole hell of a lot on baseball dude, but I disrespect comments like that.


30/30 is way overrated. Sorianos career stats including hitting/fielding, show him only +40 using BRAA, and FRAA adjusted all time. So he's plus 40 above average in runs above average. That is not big money.

People here confuse fantasy with irl. Soriano is a ton better in fantasy (sb plus no defense). But irl, he's barely over average.
A career 5.62 rc/27 is ok, but nothing special. And factor in his huge defensive numbers, and he's just a tad over average.
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Postby cordscords » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:34 pm

His BA has gone down, his OBP has gone down, and no improvement has been shown in his K/BB ratio that would indicate an improvement in those categories.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:35 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:Ive got one!


How many people have hit 3 HR's in one game at RFK stadium?

How many players went 30/30 last year?

How many players over the last 5 years have come close to hitting 40/40 twice?





And cords says to me "Someone will be stupid enough to pay him a lot of money next year."

You know I respect your opinion a whole hell of a lot on baseball dude, but I disrespect comments like that.


30/30 is way overrated. Sorianos career stats including hitting/fielding, show him only +40 using BRAA, and FRAA adjusted all time. So he's plus 40 above average in runs above average. That is not big money.

People here confuse fantasy with irl. Soriano is a ton better in fantasy (sb plus no defense). But irl, he's barely over average.
A career 5.62 rc/27 is ok, but nothing special. And factor in his huge defensive numbers, and he's just a tad over average.


Im really only talking about statistics that matter as a fantasy baseball player, I forgot to include he had less errors in MORE innings last year compared to 2004, and he had more extra base hits last year than 2004...some consistent decrease.


As a real life 2B he is still a top 5 guy I would want on my team. You just dont find those type of power numbers at that position like you find in Soriano, its really a bonus. Just like you expect your corner infield/corner outfield to have big power numbers, you dont really expect those numbers from a middle infielder. I will accept the good with the bad with Soriano, as I feel the good way overtrumps the bad.
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Postby GSes » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:39 pm

i wouldn't sign soriano to a deal on my real life team. he is gonna be out of baseball in 2yrs, remember? :-D
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Postby NikkiSixx » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:40 pm

cordscords wrote:His BA has gone down, his OBP has gone down, and no improvement has been shown in his K/BB ratio that would indicate an improvement in those categories.


but there hasnt been a decrease in his K/BB ratio either, they are what they have always been.

And if you can score 100 runs 3 times in your career with a on base percentage like that, I think it tells a lot about how special of a hitter he is.


What ever he lacks with on base percentage he makes up for it with extra base hits.


Again, I am very confident his batting average will be much higher than .268, probably a whole .015 points higher.

The Nationals did the right thing by trading for Soriano.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:43 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:Ive got one!


How many people have hit 3 HR's in one game at RFK stadium?

How many players went 30/30 last year?

How many players over the last 5 years have come close to hitting 40/40 twice?





And cords says to me "Someone will be stupid enough to pay him a lot of money next year."

You know I respect your opinion a whole hell of a lot on baseball dude, but I disrespect comments like that.


30/30 is way overrated. Sorianos career stats including hitting/fielding, show him only +40 using BRAA, and FRAA adjusted all time. So he's plus 40 above average in runs above average. That is not big money.

People here confuse fantasy with irl. Soriano is a ton better in fantasy (sb plus no defense). But irl, he's barely over average.
A career 5.62 rc/27 is ok, but nothing special. And factor in his huge defensive numbers, and he's just a tad over average.

Yes, steals mean much more in fantasy than they do in real life, but he still puts himself in scoring positiong 30-40 times per year PLUS his doubles and triples, that means something if you ask me. He offers more at the plate that all the other 2B dont offer with the exception of Chase Utley(last year anyway, he looks promising though) and Jeff Kent (dont know about Kent this year though, he is getting up there in years).
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Postby cordscords » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:44 pm

NikkiSixx wrote:And if you can score 100 runs 3 times in your career with a on base percentage like that, I think it tells a lot about how special of a hitter he is.


He played with the Yankees and Rangers. It comes as no shock that he has scored over a 100 runs. 100 runs will definitley not happen with the Nationals.

And I am aware that his BB/K ratio has not gotten worse, it has stayed extremely bad while his BA and OBP continue to go down. So as he continues to age, you can only expect worse.
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Postby NikkiSixx » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:53 pm

cordscords wrote:
NikkiSixx wrote:And if you can score 100 runs 3 times in your career with a on base percentage like that, I think it tells a lot about how special of a hitter he is.


He played with the Yankees and Rangers. It comes as no shock that he has scored over a 100 runs. 100 runs will definitley not happen with the Nationals.

And I am aware that his BB/K ratio has not gotten worse, it has stayed extremely bad while his BA and OBP continue to go down. So as he continues to age, you can only expect worse.


He has at least 4 more good years left in him, probably more.


Yes but with that On Base percentage? batting 5th most of last year in the rangers lineup? For those who dont know that was AFTER Young, Teixeira and Blalock, and yet he still had a significant increase in runs scored. Now how would someone with a low on-base percentage like Soriano do that? OH! I KNOW! Its the Home Runs, plus the doubles and triples, PLUS the 30+ stolen bases he gets. The man gets himself in scoring position a whole hell of a lot for a guy who doesnt walk much at all.

According to last season, I dont see any reason to not believe he will score 100 runs this year, assuming he stays at the top of the Nationals lineup. That is pretty tough to do, maybe more in the 90 runs range, Guillen doesnt do well with runners in scoring position. Soriano will be a fantasy beast yet again though and well worth a late early 3rd round pick most people have been getting him at.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:11 pm

I don't know where you see Soriano going in mid thrid round, because Yahoo and ESPN boyth have him as mid second round.

The other thing that has been declining has been his SBs. His first two years he was above 40 SBs. The last two years he has not topped 30.

Soriano will finish 2006 as he did 2004. Ranked somewhere around 60-80, around 5th to 6th for 2B.
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