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Postby thedude » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:16 pm

dc928 wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:
Gags Sports wrote:In April of 2004, he hit .255. :-/ We all remember that he finished the year hitting .372.


Only because he had a lucky 2nd half hit rate % of 46. I see him doing what he did last year, around .300. He's got a terrible eye. I watch him daily. He swings at balls 2-3 times every ab. I think he's the most overrated player in bb. Take away his speed (50 infield hits a year), and he's a .270 hitter with little pop.


Are you kidding me, Ichrio is one of the best hitters ever you don't break the hit record simply by speed, if that is the case, then there are tons of players who is faster than him so how come they can't avg .320 a year, year in and year out like he does. He is a contact hitter, he doesn't strike out at all. That is why he swing the ball 2 or 3 times per AB. ;-D


If Ted Williams had swung at every pitch and did not try to hit for power, he mighthave been able to get 260 hits in a season. instead he took walks, got on base, and hit home runs. That is what the best hitters of all time did. They took balls, got on base, and crushed pitches in the zone.
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Postby AT » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:29 pm

I own him in 1 league and although I'm not worried that he'll come back and have a nice season when it's all said and done, I'm definitely offering him around the league. I'm not going to give him away for anything but fair value but when you have a guy like this on your team who is a proven superstar and a unique commodity (BA/SB/R) that is underperforming, most everyone else in the league thinks he's worth making an offer for. You never know what you'll get offered, but I myself am not worried that he'll be fine.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:40 pm

There is nothig new about Suzuki being streaky. He has done this sort of thing in the past where he is ice cold for a month or more at a time then gets red hot for awhile.

That said, he likely will put up his usual solid numbers. Like I have noted before however, the problem with Suzuki is that from a cost vs reward perspective, you pay round 3 prices and if he hits 340+ he is worth it...if he hits 305 he is basically a round 6-7 player you are paying a round 3 price for. And we all know Sukuki can hit anywhere within a 70 point spread year to year (300-370 roughly). That is a lot of value fluctuation if you ask me.
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Postby Iconoclastic » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:20 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:There is nothig new about Suzuki being streaky. He has done this sort of thing in the past where he is ice cold for a month or more at a time then gets red hot for awhile.

That said, he likely will put up his usual solid numbers. Like I have noted before however, the problem with Suzuki is that from a cost vs reward perspective, you pay round 3 prices and if he hits 340+ he is worth it...if he hits 305 he is basically a round 6-7 player you are paying a round 3 price for. And we all know Sukuki can hit anywhere within a 70 point spread year to year (300-370 roughly). That is a lot of value fluctuation if you ask me.


Actually if he hits 340+ he's a round 1 player. With his plate appearances and his 45 HR+SB, and 120 runs, he's got more statistical value than most players who go in the first round.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:23 pm

There's a great blog that follows the Mariners (http://www.ussmariner.com/), with a couple guys who have written for Baseball Prospectus in the past. They are generally high on Ichiro but in one recent post on their blog, they had this to say about him:

"At some point, Ichiro’s unique skills are going to disappear, and he’s going to be a terrible major league player. I’m pretty sure that point hasn’t come yet, but he’s hitting .190/.277/.276 and posting a 1.00 G/F rate, the lowest of his career. As Jeff Sullivan has pointed out, Ichiro’s success is directly tied to his ability to whack the ball on the ground. Until he gets back to hitting worm burners, we have a really expensive out machine leading off."
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Postby d18Mike » Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:58 pm

Great Bill James capsule on Willie Wilson in the Abstract where he notes that Wilson's value tanked when he decided he was a "real hitter" and started to drive the ball instead of laying the bat on the ball and flying down the line. Probably somewhat applicable in Ichiro's case, although they clearly have differnt skill sets.
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Postby number9 » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:26 am

4 for 4 so far today. Can he finally break out of the slump? B-) (Well, the 3 hit game earlier didn't help but... :*) )
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Postby Los_Dodgers » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:20 am

im really hoping that he's done with his slump...i need him to perform so i can trade him.
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Postby number9 » Wed May 24, 2006 8:34 am

Yup, way done with the slump and is in the middle of a 17 game hitting streak. Streaky guy, that Ichiro.

I didn't exactly buy him low, but I did get him with a spare part during his slump, so I'm a pretty happy camper right now (even knowing that he'll slump later in the season again, it should all work out in the end). ;-D
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