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Postby thehat » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:01 am

Fantasy Fan wrote:After what he showed everyone in the WBC, can you honestly say he just had one fluke year? He came ready to play, and was one of the stars on the world's biggest stage.



Please tell me you're not serious. The WBC? Jeez, Adam Stern was about the best player in the tournament. Ready to annoint him as a superstar off that performance.

Look, the WBC was pretty cool and I hope it's even better the next time around. But calling it the "world's biggest stage" is ludicrous. Beltre's showing in the WBC means absolutely nothing, nor does virtually anyone else's.
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Postby Los_Dodgers » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:44 am

i hate beltre. but if any of you would talk to him and offer him monetary incentives for good play, he will have another monster season. grrr.
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Postby thehat » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:09 am

Let's get some factual information into this potpourri of wild guesses and innacuracies.

There is no correlation between a player being in his walk year and career best performances. For every player who goes bonkers and puts up astounding stats before he hits the free market, there's another that does just the opposite. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Beltre was one of those who went the banner year route. Does anyone here actually think that this was simply all about the money and that he's been on cruise control since? If anything, he's pressed too hard to put up those big power numbers and has managed to really screw himself up in the process.
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Postby asumikey222 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:22 am

thehat wrote:Let's get some factual information into this potpourri of wild guesses and innacuracies.

There is no correlation between a player being in his walk year and career best performances. For every player who goes bonkers and puts up astounding stats before he hits the free market, there's another that does just the opposite. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Beltre was one of those who went the banner year route. Does anyone here actually think that this was simply all about the money and that he's been on cruise control since? If anything, he's pressed too hard to put up those big power numbers and has managed to really screw himself up in the process.


I agree, and, for what it's worth, it's what everyone in the organization and many scouts outside have been saying. For example:

Apr 15 Doug Miller, of Mariners.MLB.com, reports Seattle Mariners 3B Adrian Beltre is batting .132 so far in the 2006 season without driving in any runs and a 0-for-16 mark with runners in scoring position. Manager Mike Hargrove and hitting coach Jeff Pentland sat down with Beltre before the game Saturday, April 15, to discuss his slump. Hargrove said, "He needs to just try to be Adrian. Everyone has spells like that, where they want to do well so badly that they don't do well." Hargrove added that he liked Beltre's final two at-bats from the game Friday, April 14, and said they were really encouraging.


I also don't think that the OP was saying the tax issue is the only reason Beltre has been struggling, nor was he making excuses for him, or calling him a roider/cheater/con artist or anything else that other people have been saying, he was just saying hey here's an issue he was having that might have been one of the factors that affected his performance on the field in some way, it happens all the time in sports. If he resolves this issue in the coming week it may be one less thing contributing to his bad performance this year, and really it has been so abysmal that you can't help but think that there are multiple things at play- lack of patience, pressing too hard, personal issues, etc.

We'll see what happens this week but if Hargrove and the OP are right we may see an improvement shortly (and hey at this point .200 and an extra-base hit would be an improvement). As usual I'm going to wait and see what happens before making any judgments or acting rashly.
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Postby Berge20 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:41 am

RugbyD wrote:RugbyD: I'll take "Beltre Sucks" for $1000, Alex.

Alex Trebek: This number shows that Adrian Beltre absopositively sucks beyond question.

RD: What is a .779 career OPS, which includes his fluke year of a 1.017 OPS?

AT: That is correct!

Sean Connery: Your mother is a whore, Trebek.


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Postby davidmarver » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:48 am

TheYanks04 wrote:Please. He had ONE...count it ONE decent year. And not coincidentally the year his contract expired and the year before serious roid testing with penalities was done. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck.

Yeah that was it. ;-7

It would be that if he ever did take roids, or if the contract year theory was statistically existent (which it isn't).

I do love how everyone fails to acknowledge that his one "good" season came the same season in which Tim Wallach was his hitting coach.
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Postby Joe Mauer » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:14 am

The only reason: He's a bum

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Postby Dawgpound 1613 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:43 am

A) I agree with those that criticize your friend - in no way should he be disclosing client information. Absolute breach of ethics.

B) I agree with davidmarver that the presence of Wallach had as much of a factor on his 2004 performance as contract year, roids, bone chips, etc. It may not have been the only reason, but it shouldn't be ignored.

C) I also agree with Yanks, etc. in that, in general, you're talking about 1 good year in 8. "One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn't belong." Until he even hits 30 HR again and has an OPS above .850 again, 2004 is simply a fluke. And if two weeks of WBC play is supposed to wash away 7 years of bad play, I guess I should be trading Pujols for Shelton. .200 hitters can hit .400 for a two week span - that doesn't make them .400 hitters.
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Postby ukrneal » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:53 am

thehat wrote:Let's get some factual information into this potpourri of wild guesses and innacuracies.

There is no correlation between a player being in his walk year and career best performances. For every player who goes bonkers and puts up astounding stats before he hits the free market, there's another that does just the opposite. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Beltre was one of those who went the banner year route. Does anyone here actually think that this was simply all about the money and that he's been on cruise control since? If anything, he's pressed too hard to put up those big power numbers and has managed to really screw himself up in the process.


If I remember correctly, this was less true about up and coming stars. I don't know if we can call Beltre a star, but he was still up and coming (improving) at the time.
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Postby J.C.Fighter » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:56 am

And the funny thing about this he's still 27 yrs old...

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