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Postby 5 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:04 pm

without a doubt, it's gotta be Rivera. Yes the team gives him chances but when it comes down to it, this guy's been money...even if he doesn't even like Metallica. :-b
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Postby johnsamo » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:07 pm

The word he in LA sport radio is that Gagne was a juicer and basically the effects of throwing harder than his natural body frame would've allowed has basically wrecked his body.
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Postby Havok1517 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:08 pm

Rivera couldn't pitch 3 innings like Eck could and could never start. It may not be Eck but its not Rivera either.
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Postby HOOTIE » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:09 pm

DGroundhog wrote:Eck.

Rivera is no better than Hoffman, and I think there are a number of younger guys better than both.


Career wise Rivera is. Peak wise Hoffman wins. This was debated before. PW (player wins), showed the above.

I think Eck, Rivera, Gossage come to mind. Smith was good, but i don't think he cracks the top 10 myself.
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Postby nuggets » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:12 pm

One name I haven't seen is Hoyt Wilhelm.
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Postby orange12 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:33 pm

nuggets wrote:One name I haven't seen is Hoyt Wilhelm.


That's because he was portrayed by Tom Candiotti in the movie 61*. After watching that, I don't think I can ever take Hoyt Wilhelm seriously. :-b
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Postby biju » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:44 pm

The first person I thought of was when Randy Johnson "closed" for the Mariners during a do-or-die portion of the '96 (I think) season. If I remember correctly he actually has w saves for his career stats.

I can't help but think that if Randy for some reason or another was only used as a closer this wouldn't even be a realistic debate. Of course, you can't argue about what could have been, only what has been.
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Postby KronJon » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:43 pm

It's easy to just say Rivera but if you really look at the numbers Hoffman can't be denied his place.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:46 pm

I'm with HOOTIE. Hoffman had the best peak, but Rivera's had the better career.

The point about Eckersly be able to start makes no sense, since we aren't talking about the best starter ever, or the best stater/closer combo ever. We're talking about the best closer ever.
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Postby Havok1517 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:49 pm

What about a 3-2 inning save instead of a 1 inning save????
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