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Postby Joe Mauer » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:10 am

teddyballgamemvp wrote:
Another Blown Save wrote:That was just my speculation as a Red Sox fan.
Plus, I don't see why they would want to start Alvarez or DiNardo, or whoever over Papelbon.


I'm not sure what to say, but you don't see Mo getting starts for the Yanks just because Wright sucks. The Red Sox have the best closer in baseball. You don't screw with that. They can send Lenny in and he will give up 2-3 ER in 6-7 IP and they will lose or win the game-- for multiple starts. And, eventually, Clemens will join the rotation. The SPs love knowing Paps is nailz. They all totally trust him with the ball in the 9th.


Mo and Paps are two different creatures entirely. Mo is an ageing (and still dominant) closer who has been a closer from many a year. Paps is a guy the organization has always had tabbed as a future SP. He may be closing now but next year I expect him in the rotation, if not sooner. The analogy is flawed that you used.

And as far as Clemens goes....you are just wishful thinking there. And even IF he comes back, it likely will be with the Astros.

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Postby Dark Knight » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:34 pm

Foulke blew another Red Sox lead again today pitching in his middle relief role. He is nowhere near being ready to close out games yet. The Red Sox have no logical choice right now other than to keep bringing in Paps as the closer.
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Postby Blade » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:32 pm

Another perfect save for Papelbon tonight ;-D .
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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:46 pm

Blade wrote:Another perfect save for Papelbon tonight ;-D .


Perfect? What game where you watching?

And the idea that Paps will be closer the whole year is rather silly, in my humble opinion. Is it possible? Sure.

It depends on Foulke. If Foulke regains form--and who knows, he's been off and on--than they will probably put Paps in the rotation for the second half. His future is a starter. Closing (or relieving in general) is just a means for them to keep innings off his arm.
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Postby Blade » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:48 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
Blade wrote:Another perfect save for Papelbon tonight ;-D .


Perfect? What game where you watching?



The game that Papelbon dominated in the 9th ;-D .
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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:49 pm

Dark Knight wrote:
acsguitar wrote:
Matthias wrote:baloney.

IF foulke returns to form, he becomes the closer again. simple as that.

nice info, though, yanks. something to think about.


Nope


Double nope. Best drop Foulke to the waiver wire unless you league counts holds as a scoring catagory.


Do not drop Foulke yet. Geez. I can't believe people are so fickle and are willing to take Yankee fans advice over people who know this team a bit better. I know the Sox a bit. Ask around.
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Postby Blade » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:53 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
Dark Knight wrote:
acsguitar wrote:
Matthias wrote:baloney.

IF foulke returns to form, he becomes the closer again. simple as that.

nice info, though, yanks. something to think about.


Nope


Double nope. Best drop Foulke to the waiver wire unless you league counts holds as a scoring catagory.


Do not drop Foulke yet. Geez. I can't believe people are so fickle and are willing to take Yankee fans advice over people who know this team a bit better. I know the Sox a bit. Ask around.


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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:53 pm

Blade wrote:
Transmogrifier wrote:
Blade wrote:Another perfect save for Papelbon tonight ;-D .


Perfect? What game where you watching?



The game that Papelbon dominated in the 9th ;-D .


Tonight's game? I'm not sure what you call dominated, but given a three run lead in the ninth, Papelbon:

J Gathright struck out swinging.
C Crawford singled to center.
C Crawford to second on fielder's indifference.
J Cantu struck out swinging.
T Lee walked.
J Gomes walked, C Crawford to third, T Lee to second.
D Hollins flied out to center.

If that's domination, then you need some help. Sure, the 2 Ks are nice, but a hit and two walks?--that's not domination.
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Postby Blade » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:57 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:Tonight's game? I'm not sure what you call dominated, but given a three run lead in the ninth, Papelbon:

J Gathright struck out swinging.
C Crawford singled to center.
C Crawford to second on fielder's indifference.
J Cantu struck out swinging.
T Lee walked.
J Gomes walked, C Crawford to third, T Lee to second.
D Hollins flied out to center.

If that's domination, then you need some help. Sure, the 2 Ks are nice, but a hit and two walks?--that's not domination.


It's more dominating that any inning Foulke has pitched so far this season and it is Papelbon's worse outing yet, and he still did not allow a run ;-D .
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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:03 pm

Blade wrote:
Transmogrifier wrote:Tonight's game? I'm not sure what you call dominated, but given a three run lead in the ninth, Papelbon:

J Gathright struck out swinging.
C Crawford singled to center.
C Crawford to second on fielder's indifference.
J Cantu struck out swinging.
T Lee walked.
J Gomes walked, C Crawford to third, T Lee to second.
D Hollins flied out to center.

If that's domination, then you need some help. Sure, the 2 Ks are nice, but a hit and two walks?--that's not domination.


It's more dominating that any inning Foulke has pitched so far this season and it is Papelbon's worse outing yet, and he still did not allow a run ;-D .


I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Are you just making stuff up?

How about 4/9, when Foulke pitched a no-hit, no walk, two strikeout inning in Baltimore? Is that more dominating that Papelbon bringing up the game-winning run in the top of the ninth?

Or on 4/13 against Toronto?: He pitched two innings, no hits, no runs, two Ks, and one walk?

Sure, Foulke has not pitched remotely as well as Papelbon, and I'm not saying Foulke WILL regain the closer spot, but you're jumping the gun if you drop Foulke now.
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