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Postby rotterdam_82 » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:04 am

Maybe I've missed something, what rewards did he reap from the Hudson trade? :-?
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Postby George_Foreman » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:24 am

Same place the rewards Atlanta reaped from it. :-/
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Postby Yoda » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:26 am

rotterdam_82 wrote:Maybe I've missed something, what rewards did he reap from the Hudson trade? :-?


Saving money? What is Hudson's contract? They basically ship him off the ATL and plugged Blanton in for like $300k.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:52 pm

The Hudson trade was Hudson for Charles Thomas, Juan Cruz, and Dan Meyer. Thomas and Cruz haven't shown much but Meyer still has potential, and the money due to Hudson was the overriding factor.

Statistically, Loaiza looked like a guy who was in the middle-of-the-pack as far as free agent pitchers went last off-season, who got paid what the going rate was for a mediocre starting pitcher. No one could have expected the 2 horrible starts he's had so far.
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Postby looptid » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:39 pm

Y`s Guy wrote:I just felt like highlighting one if the worst contracts given out in the last 10 years or so.

Park (was already mentioned), Higginson, C. Guzman... this is no where near the top 10.
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:16 pm

rotterdam_82 wrote:Maybe I've missed something, what rewards did he reap from the Hudson trade? :-?


Getting rid of the most overrated sp in bb. Hudson was good, but that was many moons ago.

Every GM makes bad moves. I'm not a Loiza fan. But give Beane some credit. In the last 5 years, only the NYY have more wins.
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Postby nuggets » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:50 am

HOOTIE wrote:
rotterdam_82 wrote:Maybe I've missed something, what rewards did he reap from the Hudson trade? :-?


Getting rid of the most overrated sp in bb. Hudson was good, but that was many moons ago.

Every GM makes bad moves. I'm not a Loiza fan. But give Beane some credit. In the last 5 years, only the NYY have more wins.


lol, many moons. He still makes the top 20 in Career ERA+ . I don't think Huddy has 2003 stuff in him, but 2004 Hudson isn't a bad #2.

Beane probably looked at last years stats (edit) and his outbreaks in the past and thought Loaiza could pitch well on a team with a decent offense and good bullpen playing half it's games in a pitchers park . His adjusted stats for 2005 aren't that far off from his actual stats and his BABIP was .322! I don't think the Loaiza deal was good or bad, just ok. It's not a bad buy if you're getting a 30+ VORP player.
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Postby ukrneal » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:01 am

And don't forget Wright and Pavano with the Yanks now. I thought they were pretty terrible at the time, and so far it has been borne out. I shook my head at the Loaiza deal though too.

Still time for all of them to make up some ground...
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Postby FalcoAtL » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:32 am

BobbyRoberto wrote:The Hudson trade was Hudson for Charles Thomas, Juan Cruz, and Dan Meyer. Thomas and Cruz haven't shown much but Meyer still has potential, and the money due to Hudson was the overriding factor.

Statistically, Loaiza looked like a guy who was in the middle-of-the-pack as far as free agent pitchers went last off-season, who got paid what the going rate was for a mediocre starting pitcher. No one could have expected the 2 horrible starts he's had so far.


Actually Juan Cruz was traded to the Dbacks, so really you count Halsey in there. He's been decent in some relief appearances this season. I'm not sure what Beane wants with Halsey and Dominguez (acquired a trade made shortly after). Their starting staff is stacked already. Also Loaiza if I'm not mistaken had the flu towards the end of spring, which means the .305 avg against mentioned above is not a true measure of his quality this year. I agree he is not that great though, and that they did not have need for his services.
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