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Postby The Loveable Losers » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:55 pm

The other thing that has to be kept in mind is that Jones is popular in Detroit. Why else bring him back for a second run?

As long as Jones performs, the job will be his.

If Rodney continues to play well, then Jones will just have less closer job security.


Exactly. He seems like a good guy to buy low on given that he did show the ability last year to not walk batters (albeit in a very small sample size). If you can get him cheap (or free if someone drops him) I think he's worth the risk given the numbers that I posted.
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Postby d18Mike » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:15 pm

I think you may be overstaing his popularity.

There is not ONE starter, high-ranking front office person or influential coach/manager who was on the team when Jones closed. And he isn't anyone's definition of a household name here. The Jones acquisition was universally decried by the local press.

If he's counting on his popularity rather than his performance ... we'll, it'll be a short run.
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Postby Blakas » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:28 pm

Hard to overstate somebody's popularity when you just say he is popular.

Can't see what the debate is:

Are the anti-Jones posters actually saying that he won't get a chance to be the team's stopper when he returns from the DL?

Obviously if he fails at the job, he is going to get replaced. I'm only suggesting that he will for sure get a chance to do the job.
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Postby mcqfesijiba » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:26 pm

d18Mike wrote:I think you may be overstaing his popularity.

There is not ONE starter, high-ranking front office person or influential coach/manager who was on the team when Jones closed. And he isn't anyone's definition of a household name here. The Jones acquisition was universally decried by the local press.

If he's counting on his popularity rather than his performance ... we'll, it'll be a short run.
Man, I think we have a bigtime Jones-hater here. Instead of hating on Jones, I'm cheering him on to be every bit as good as last year, even if I REALLY don't think he'll be quite that good. He's signed and he will be the closer when healthy. Get over it and let's see what he can do. I like Rodney as much as the next Tiger fan, but I am not ready for him to be the intended primary closer just yet.
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Postby CHE » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:33 pm

Blakas wrote:Hard to overstate somebody's popularity when you just say he is popular.

Can't see what the debate is:

Are the anti-Jones posters actually saying that he won't get a chance to be the team's stopper when he returns from the DL?

Obviously if he fails at the job, he is going to get replaced. I'm only suggesting that he will for sure get a chance to do the job.


I think if rodney pitches lights out, gets a handful of saves before he comes back, the job will be his too lose. Lets not forget a 38 year old player doesnt heal the same as a 27 year old player.
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Postby Blakas » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:07 pm

^^^ Believing this is one thing. Hoping this is posting countless messages about it.
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Postby AT » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:24 pm

Detroit's got money now. Look at the $$ they flushed down the toilet with Percival. I'm not going to pretend to be able to predict what they'll do if Rodney is lights out, but if I were them and they're winning when Jones comes back I'd either put him in setup role and keep him there, or put him there and trade him. It'd be pretty dumb to put him back there if Rodney is rocking it. Especially with Zumaya lurking... Ah who the hell knows. Zumaya should be a starter for the longterm anyway. I don't know what they'll do. I do know that I've never owned and will never own Todd Jones.
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Postby ChoneJohn » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:35 pm

I'm just f*ckin' thrilled that the Tigers have made it to the level of 2-page thread! Great to hear guys giving their RPs some love (or hate, depending)! The way I see the situation is that Jones keeps the position once he comes back (and rotoworld says he's throwing a bit already), but will probably lose it to Rodney through injury or ineffectiveness at some point in the season. I hope that last year has made a more mature pitcher out of Rodney, 'cause when he's on he can be pretty damn lights out. Either way, I'm just glad we're starting the season against the Royals, again...
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Postby CHE » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:38 am

Francona: "i could not in godd conscience let the guy who is throwing the ball best sit on the bench."

See this is how your team should be run with closers. Unless your wanger or K-Rod, your job is never secure ;-D
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