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Postby Minor League Skilz » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:17 am

The Kavorka wrote:
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The Kavorka wrote: Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.


That's not really fair, it doesn't sound as if Rivera had been consulted at all regarding what sort of music he'd like to have blasting out of the PA as he's rolling in from the 'pen.


Not really fair?

This entire stupid debate was started by arrogant Yankee fans who think the world revovles around their team.

How dare Wagner use Mariano's song?

Now it turns out Wagner has used the song 3 years before Mariano did and he didn't even pick it out himself. I can almost guarantee you Mariano had no idea what Metallica was in 1996.

Todays' Daily News quotes Mariano as saying he's not even a Metallica fan. He likes Christian music.

Christian Music ?!?!

Maybe Mariano can change his intro into a STRYPER tune now.


Karvoka, you are a fool. I did not start this topic to insult the rest of the baseball world. If it is making the news then it is a appropriate topic for DISCUSSION in this forum. Arrogant. I have not been the one throwing insults at people for their opinion.

Any Yankee fan that knows a minimal amount about the conserative, Christian Rivera knows he is not at home listening to Metallica. I am not surprised that the song came from the PR guys at all. The article I posted said the song was selected based on receiving the best reaction from the crowd. It was done for the fans.

I take pride in being able to take a step back and see both sides to debates and issues in general. I knew this thread would lead to the usual Yankee bashing comments, but I was genuinely surprised there was not more support for the Yankee side. So I went back to view some of the opposing comments.

First of all of course none of this is an issue of who has a right to the song. Of course it belongs to Metallica. Of course Wagner can use it if he wants. This is America and with the Mets permission Wagner can come out to whatever he pleases. If I used the word right or something similar I was mistaken.

My next point is that I do realize that in the grand scheme of things this debate and baseball in general do not matter at all, so don't get on my case when I use words like significant or important. It's all relative. But since we are still talking about this here is my point.

If we boil down this issue to its basic parts it involves groups. Get rid of the whole Yankee/Met thing. One group is taking something that has significance to another group and trying to make it their own. If that something significant is no longer unique it may lose what made it special in the first place. I think this is a basic human emotion (even if it may not be the most noble emotion). This would apply to rival high schools or colleges as well. I have known of Wagner's use of the song for a long time. While I didn't like it (that may be selfish), it was out of sight of of mind. The Mets and Yankees are conntected through the city, the papers, the news and the fans. The closeness of the two groups is what makes it an issue.

Mariano Rivera is the type of player I will tell my kids about in the future. I may never see another Yankee like him in my lifetime, and I am sure that the first part of every Mo story will involve humming the first few bars of Enter Sandman.

Part of my love for baseball comes from the little quirks and unique traditions found at each ballpark, many of which you will never even notice until you see the game in person. Not just the physical things like the Ivy at Wrigley either. It is the Red Sox signing Sweet Caroline or the Orioles fans screaming the "O" part of the national anthem. For me Enter Sandman is associated with Yankee stadium and one of the greatest players I have ever seen.

This debate isn't really a debate anymore because it looks like they will both use the song. I just wanted to explain where I was coming from.
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Postby looptid » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:53 am

AT wrote:Yep that's it. I'm crazy, a tool, an a$$, whatever. I should be banned again, I don't know anything about baseball, whatever. I was at that game where Rivera was booed. I vomited in my mouth listening to it. It was a low-class move and it made me ashamed me be a Yankee fan for a week or so. If you're an honest baseball fan and a Yankee fan at that time you should've felt the way I did that day. Ashamed, embarrassed, disgusted, for the way the fans of my team behaved.

I attended a Yankees-Blue Jays game in Toronto on vacation last season. I'd be more ashamed about the fact that no male yankees fan over the age of 12 can seemingly afford to buy a shirt with sleeves. You think all that I-ROC driving, zuba wearing stuff is just a stereotype until you run into the genuine article in person.

I also got sent to New York on business this year. I completely agree with Emo Phillips:

"Every time I get the urge to travel to New York, I just pour urine in my humidifier."
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Postby Amazinz » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:10 pm

Loopy, will you please pull your head out of your can? Nobody wants to read your silly stereotypes or your impression of NY after one day of driving a UPS truck through downtown Newark. ;-7
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Postby looptid » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:16 pm

Amazinz wrote:Loopy, will you please pull your head out of your can? Nobody wants to read your silly stereotypes or your impression of NY after one day of driving a UPS truck through downtown Newark. ;-7

Ouch.
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Postby thegambler » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:17 pm

I am not a Yankees Fan! I am not a Mets fan! Wagner can play whatever he wants but using the same cut as Mariano is just tacky!



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Postby bigh0rt » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:21 pm

Someone's liable to trip over their own two feet with all this backpedaling that's happened since the articles were posted... ;-7
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:26 pm

Minor League Skilz wrote:
The Kavorka wrote:
AcidRock23 wrote:
The Kavorka wrote: Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.


That's not really fair, it doesn't sound as if Rivera had been consulted at all regarding what sort of music he'd like to have blasting out of the PA as he's rolling in from the 'pen.


Not really fair?

This entire stupid debate was started by arrogant Yankee fans who think the world revovles around their team.

How dare Wagner use Mariano's song?

Now it turns out Wagner has used the song 3 years before Mariano did and he didn't even pick it out himself. I can almost guarantee you Mariano had no idea what Metallica was in 1996.

Todays' Daily News quotes Mariano as saying he's not even a Metallica fan. He likes Christian music.

Christian Music ?!?!

Maybe Mariano can change his intro into a STRYPER tune now.


Karvoka, you are a fool. I did not start this topic to insult the rest of the baseball world. If it is making the news then it is a appropriate topic for DISCUSSION in this forum. Arrogant. I have not been the one throwing insults at people for their opinion.

Any Yankee fan that knows a minimal amount about the conserative, Christian Rivera knows he is not at home listening to Metallica. I am not surprised that the song came from the PR guys at all. The article I posted said the song was selected based on receiving the best reaction from the crowd. It was done for the fans.

I take pride in being able to take a step back and see both sides to debates and issues in general. I knew this thread would lead to the usual Yankee bashing comments, but I was genuinely surprised there was not more support for the Yankee side. So I went back to view some of the opposing comments.

First of all of course none of this is an issue of who has a right to the song. Of course it belongs to Metallica. Of course Wagner can use it if he wants. This is America and with the Mets permission Wagner can come out to whatever he pleases. If I used the word right or something similar I was mistaken.

My next point is that I do realize that in the grand scheme of things this debate and baseball in general do not matter at all, so don't get on my case when I use words like significant or important. It's all relative. But since we are still talking about this here is my point.

If we boil down this issue to its basic parts it involves groups. Get rid of the whole Yankee/Met thing. One group is taking something that has significance to another group and trying to make it their own. If that something significant is no longer unique it may lose what made it special in the first place. I think this is a basic human emotion (even if it may not be the most noble emotion). This would apply to rival high schools or colleges as well. I have known of Wagner's use of the song for a long time. While I didn't like it (that may be selfish), it was out of sight of of mind. The Mets and Yankees are conntected through the city, the papers, the news and the fans. The closeness of the two groups is what makes it an issue.

Mariano Rivera is the type of player I will tell my kids about in the future. I may never see another Yankee like him in my lifetime, and I am sure that the first part of every Mo story will involve humming the first few bars of Enter Sandman.

Part of my love for baseball comes from the little quirks and unique traditions found at each ballpark, many of which you will never even notice until you see the game in person. Not just the physical things like the Ivy at Wrigley either. It is the Red Sox signing Sweet Caroline or the Orioles fans screaming the "O" part of the national anthem. For me Enter Sandman is associated with Yankee stadium and one of the greatest players I have ever seen.

This debate isn't really a debate anymore because it looks like they will both use the song. I just wanted to explain where I was coming from.


Fool?

You're the one that brought up this silly debate. I didn't mean to get your Yankee panties all bunched up.

The title of YOUR thread hints that Wagner should change his intro. My response wasn't directed towards you in general. There were some other Yankee fans in this thread who are borderline delusional.
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:27 pm

bigh0rt wrote:Someone's liable to trip over their own two feet with all this backpedaling that's happened since the articles were posted... ;-7


Exactly.

It's gotten awfully quiet around here.

Where did all the Yankee fans go?
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Postby CHE » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:28 pm

How did this get 10 pages long???
ThA KinG : 55 points - tied for first place
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Postby Matthias » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:28 pm

Minor League Skilz wrote:If we boil down this issue to its basic parts it involves groups. Get rid of the whole Yankee/Met thing. One group is taking something that has significance to another group and trying to make it their own. If that something significant is no longer unique it may lose what made it special in the first place. I think this is a basic human emotion (even if it may not be the most noble emotion). This would apply to rival high schools or colleges as well. I have known of Wagner's use of the song for a long time. While I didn't like it (that may be selfish), it was out of sight of of mind. The Mets and Yankees are conntected through the city, the papers, the news and the fans. The closeness of the two groups is what makes it an issue.

Mariano Rivera is the type of player I will tell my kids about in the future. I may never see another Yankee like him in my lifetime, and I am sure that the first part of every Mo story will involve humming the first few bars of Enter Sandman.

Part of my love for baseball comes from the little quirks and unique traditions found at each ballpark, many of which you will never even notice until you see the game in person. Not just the physical things like the Ivy at Wrigley either. It is the Red Sox signing Sweet Caroline or the Orioles fans screaming the "O" part of the national anthem. For me Enter Sandman is associated with Yankee stadium and one of the greatest players I have ever seen.

This debate isn't really a debate anymore because it looks like they will both use the song. I just wanted to explain where I was coming from.


And, of course, the real irony is that although you feel maudlin about having your idea of, "Enter Sandman" being tainted, the Yankees have been tainting other people's memories of complete players by snatching them out of their homes by dangling $$ for years. And although someone may always want to remember [insert childhood hero become Yankee mercenary] here in their hometown colors, it's just not happening.

Sympathy? No. Not a bit.
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